Eyepoke

[mick]

Originally Posted by mj
I had a situation last night in my game and am looking for input. I am C and have A1 with the ball right in front of me defended by B1. B1 swats at the ball and apparently pokes A1 in the eye which I do not see. A1 cradles the ball with one arm and covers his eye with his other hand then starts to pivot on his pivot foot in pain.

Do you call a late foul? Call an officials timeout for his injury? Play on? What are your thoughts?

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

If I recognize it's a poke quickly enough, it's a foul. If I don't see it until a few seconds later, I'll just stop the game.

I agree, Rich.
If I am watching a closely defended ballhandler and see a handswipe near the face, I will need to see the reflexive reaction of the head snapping away in order to justify the immediate foul. Absent that response, I will stop play and allow the player to recover or to be replaced.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by mick

I agree, Rich.
If I am watching a closely defended ballhandler and see a handswipe near the face, I will need to see the reflexive reaction of the head snapping away in order to justify the immediate foul. Absent that response, I will stop play and allow the player to recover or to be replaced.

Well, there you have it folks. If mick says it, it's right.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I have several friends who are college coaches. I am going to tell them to teach a method where as an offensive player - they go down and get the call - when contact could have happened.

Feel free. My guess is that they will laugh in your face. The number of times that they will have to implement your "method" will be so few that it's not worth the time spent to teach it. How many times a season do you see a kid get poked in the eye in the last 4 minutes of a tight ballgame? Maybe once. Certainly not more than twice.

So for an average of one possession per season, they're going to practice a "play" for which the only purpose is to fool the ref into calling a foul, and which at the same time completely stops their offensive set if it doesn't get called?

No kid is going to intentionally put himself at a that big a disadvantage while he has the ball at the end of a tight ballgame.

If you don't like the advice of a guy who had a magnificent officiating career, that's fine. But if it worked for him, I gotta think it's worth listening to.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Perfectly said!

And, just for good measure. . .

If you don't want to listen to me (understandable, since you don't know me from Adam's dog), and you don't want to listen to an NCAA tournament official, that's fine.

But bear in mind that you just completely agreed with Old School. 'Nuff said.

[mj]

Originally Posted by mick

I agree, Rich.
If I am watching a closely defended ballhandler and see a handswipe near the face, I will need to see the reflexive reaction of the head snapping away in order to justify the immediate foul. Absent that response, I will stop play and allow the player to recover or to be replaced.

I agree with both of you. Had I seen the swipe (not sure how I missed it actually) and contact, I would've had an immediate foul. Like I said previously, I stopped play to allow the player to recover. The coach did take him out after the stoppage of play.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

OS, what are you protecting the player from? What if he fakes the injury to get out of a 5 second call? If you don't know for sure that he's hurt, why stop the game?

Error on the side of caution with the players.

[Old School]

I agree, Rich.
If I am watching a closely defended ballhandler and see a handswipe near the face, I will need to see the reflexive reaction of the head snapping away in order to justify the immediate foul. Absent that response, I will stop play and allow the player to recover or to be replaced.

Just remember, if you stop the clock, the player must be replaced. He's not staying in the game unless the coach buys a timeout to keep him in.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And yes I have called someone being poked in the eye when I have seen it. Now what is your point?

My point is that the finger flying through the air and giving a quick poke to the eye is such small and fast moving thing that I don't know that I'm actually capable of seeing it. I see the swipe, I see the hand near the face, and I see the instinctive reaction of the poked player. I call the foul. If I wait until I actually see the finger in the eye for the split second it's in there, I'm never going to be able to make this call, and JohnnyrRingo's friends are going to teach their kids to start poking eyes while guarding the ballhandler.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just remember, if you stop the clock, the player must be replaced. He's not staying in the game unless the coach buys a timeout to keep him in.

Reference, please.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just remember, if you stop the clock, the player must be replaced. He's not staying in the game unless the coach buys a timeout to keep him in.

Citation, please.

If the coach doesn't come out onto the court, he can stay in. 3-3-5.

[Adam]

Old School doesn't need a reference. He/She just uses whatever seems right and fair to Old School. Rules Schmules.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just remember, if you stop the clock, the player must be replaced. He's not staying in the game unless the coach buys a timeout to keep him in.

I refuse to remember that.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Just remember, if you stop the clock, the player must be replaced. He's not staying in the game unless the coach buys a timeout to keep him in.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Reference, please.

Oh geeze Bob, okay, I will look it up. give me a minute.

Off the top, I thought that if you stopped the clock for injury, the player must be replaced. I will research it.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Old School

Off the top, I thought that if you stopped the clock for injury, the player must be replaced. I will research it.

This is the exact reason that they print up those books.

At a game last night, a coach, who had recently been digging through the rule book, said to us, "They really have a bunch of rules in there, don't they?"