NCAA Emphasis on palming/carrying

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bearclause

Certainly I can tell when there's a blatant carry, and it upset me to no end when NBA star players would get away with it. Once I was just shooting around a basketball at a playground, and these kids were emulating a Jordan crossover where they'd just scoop the ball under their hands repeatedly. Try telling a bunch of kids that Michael Jordan gets away with an illegal move. I once sat in the 3rd row of a D-I college game and could hear everything the refs were saying. There was one particular player who liked to bring his hand over the top of the ball when walking it up, but otherwise never did when pressured by a defender. However - he did get called once, and I heard the ref yell, "Carry! Big time!" The sense I got was that they were telling him it was OK if he didn't get an advantage, but this time his hand went through 270 degrees of the ball.

Who cares what the NBA does? That is a different level and different level of expectation. Comparing the NBA to NCAA is not a very good example. If players do not know the difference between the NCAA or NBA that is their fault.

Originally Posted by bearclause

I'd certainly like to understand what's the difference between a legal move and an illegal one. I'm not a subscriber to the services mentioned, so I don't have access to the video described. However - I'm just trying to get a handle on what the following would be:

3) The "hesitation" move that's specified in the 2007 NCAA rulebook emphasis. It sounds like they're referring to things like where a player might dribble the ball high, and continue the downward dribble motion with several direction changes during the same downward motion.

From my point of view you are really not making much sense. I was at an NCAA Officiating Clinic that the NCAA puts on all over the country and are a requirement for every D1 official to attend and I heard Hank Nichols talk about this rule in great detail and how it was to be called. What you described makes no sense to what was said and I really do not know what part of the NCAA rulebook you are trying to read. It is also clear you do not know a lot about officiating either.

Originally Posted by bearclause

My problem with the refs is that I'm looking at other games, and there are players who are dribbling the ball borderline supporting the weight of the ball, and I don't see calls. I question some of the calls because I never saw the ball "coming to rest" or being supported by the hand.

Here is the thing big guy. Division 1 officials are scrutinized on everything they do. If they call things that are not there, they will be fined, suspended or fired. If you know so much about what they call, then I suggest you pay the money, go to an officiating camp at the D1 level and pay around $500 just to attend the camp. Of course you will have to pay the travel expenses which for many involve a plane flight or a 7-10 hour drive depending on which camp you attend. Then pay for your hotel expenses and food for the 2-4 days you are away from home. After you do all of that and get hired (you will likely have to do this for years to even sniff a real change of being hired), then come talk to us about what should or should not be called on a palming call. It is easy to call the game from the cheap seats while watching a game. It is quite another to thing to call this while actually officiating a game.

Peace