Over and back -correctable call

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mick

JugglingReferee,
I dunno why it's too late to make the call.

Mick, after the missed violation, there was a shot and a rebound. That's just way too late to go back and try and do anything- especially when the rules won't allow you to do that in the first place, as per case book play 5.2.1SitF.

Just say "missed that one" and move on. If you set a precedent otherwise, then you're gonna have pandemonium out there.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Mick, after the missed violation, there was a shot and a rebound. That's just way too late to go back and try and do anything- especially when the rules won't allow you to do that in the first place, as per case book play 5.2.1SitF.

Just say "missed that one" and move on. If you set a precedent otherwise, then you're gonna have pandemonium out there.

I dunno, JR.
5.2.1F has other considerations (ie., jumpers facing wrong direction, baskets scored).
I agree with saying "missed one", but I don't think a pan of ammonia is gonna be any bigger (everyone, by then, knew what happened) if you blow the call late and set the ball at the division line.
mick

[REFVA]

If I understand the post correctly, B get ball in their front court, he passes the center line and heads back, that is a BAck court violation. Isn't it?

[mick]

Originally Posted by REFVA

If I understand the post correctly, B get ball in their front court, he passes the center line and heads back, that is a BAck court violation. Isn't it?

REFVA,
Yeah that's the right call.
The question is:

• If the play goes (temporarily) unoticed, can you (should you) make the violation call.

mick

unoticed? unnoticed? un-noticed?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mick

unoticed? unnoticed? un-noticed?

Where's Mister Annoying Pain-In-The-Azz Spelling Guy? The little sh!t is never around when you need him, is he?

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Where's Mister Annoying Pain-In-The-Azz Spelling Guy? The little sh!t is never around when you need him, is he?

Just for that, I'm not going to tell you which one is correct.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Just for that, I'm not going to tell you which one is correct.

About time.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

unoticed? unnoticed? un-noticed?

Actually, according to Dictionary.com, both unnoticed and un-noticed are listed, but un-noticed references unnoticed.

Did anyone else notice?

Signed,

Mr. Annoying Pain-In-The-Azz Spelling Guy's Capable Intern.

PS - mick, considering this was a middle school game, I might also consider calling the violation, even after the missed shots. But any level higher, I would have to say it's a missed call, and nothing, and just move on after correcting the direction the players were going. Also, depending on how and how much the other coach was complaining, I might consider letting it go as well. The coach might then get the impression he can have you go back and correct calls all game.

[mick]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

The coach might then get the impression he can have you go back and correct calls all game.

M&M,
That would be a very short impression, methinks.
mick

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

M&M,
That would be a very short impression, methinks.
mick

I would hope so.

But why even give them a glimmer of hope?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by mick

REFVA,
Yeah that's the right call.
The question is:

• If the play goes (temporarily) unoticed, can you (should you) make the violation call.

mick

unoticed? unnoticed? un-noticed?

Not noticed

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mick

I dunno, JR.
5.2.1F has other considerations (ie., jumpers facing wrong direction, baskets scored).
I agree with saying "missed one", but I don't think a pan of ammonia is gonna be any bigger (everyone, by then, knew what happened) if you blow the call late and set the ball at the division line.
mick

You gonna do the same thing for a missed travel? A missed OOB call? A missed anything?

Are you also gonna correct a correctable error that was actually just too late to correct, by rule?

If you do one, what's your rationale for not doing all of them?

Jmo, but I think that you're just setting yourself up for a whole buncha headaches if you start fixing up calls retroactively.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You gonna do the same thing for a missed travel? A missed OOB call? A missed anything?

Are you also gonna correct a correctable error that was actually just too late to correct, by rule?

If you do one, what's your rationale for not doing all of them?

Jmo, but I think that you're just setting yourself up for a whole buncha headaches if you start fixing up calls retroactively.

JR,
I dunno. Do you think I will ?
Yer just being irascible cuz your sitch don't work.

I was questioning the "too late" thingy.
When is too late ? After a score? --> sure. After 3 seconds? 5 seconds? 9 seconds?
mick

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mick

JR,

Yer just being irascible cuz your sitch don't work.

Irascible?

Moi?

Actually, I think that the language used in that case case play is relevant.

"Once the mistake is recognized, play shall continue with with each team attempting to score in it's own basket"

It's an official mistake in not recognizing the violation when it occurred. Just resume play at the POI.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Irascible?

Moi?

Actually, I think that the language used in that case case play is relevant.

"Once the mistake is recognized, play shall continue with with each team attempting to score in it's own basket"

It's an official mistake in not recognizing the violation when it occurred. Just resume play at the POI.

JR,
Defending an improper sitch with that sentence?
To that I say, "Ha !"

My opinion of Jim Henry blowing to stop the play is that he did just fine.
And, if he (and his partner) had wanted to go "backcourt violation", that act would not have broken any rule.
mick