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Did anyone else notice? Signed, Mr. Annoying Pain-In-The-Azz Spelling Guy's Capable Intern. PS - mick, considering this was a middle school game, I might also consider calling the violation, even after the missed shots. But any level higher, I would have to say it's a missed call, and nothing, and just move on after correcting the direction the players were going. Also, depending on how and how much the other coach was complaining, I might consider letting it go as well. The coach might then get the impression he can have you go back and correct calls all game.
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Moi? Actually, I think that the language used in that case case play is relevant. "Once the mistake is recognized, play shall continue with with each team attempting to score in it's own basket" It's an official mistake in not recognizing the violation when it occurred. Just resume play at the POI. |
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That would be a very short impression, methinks. mick |
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Defending an improper sitch with that sentence? To that I say, "Ha !" My opinion of Jim Henry blowing to stop the play is that he did just fine. And, if he (and his partner) had wanted to go "backcourt violation", that act would not have broken any rule. mick |
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2) Oh? How about rule 2-10-1? That rule lists all of the correctable errors that can legally be corrected. I can't seem to find a "missed violation" in that section anywhere. |
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I think this thread well shows that the "missed violation" should not be construed as a correctable error. Perhaps the "missed violation" section is implicated somewhere else. ...Maybe in the "How much time do I have to blow my whistle after a foul or violation" section. mick |
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That's a good item to work into your game - to catch those over-and-backs that occur on the jump ball.
Over-and-back (or backcourt violations) cannot happen on a jump ball. it can happen after a team has gained possesion following a jump ball Basketball NFHS Rule 9: Violations and Penalties Section 9: Backcourt - Article 3 A player from the team not in control (defensive player or during a jump ball or throw-in) may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.
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Yes, Ken, thank you. We all know that.
What mick is discussing is these types of plays routinely happen after the jump ball that opens the game. He's fully aware of the rule, I can assure you.
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Are we still talking about the OP? Because in that play, the dribbler shot at his own basket, not the opponents. The dribbler headed the wrong way initially, but then ended up shooting in the correct basket.
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If the officials allow the teams to line up going the wrong way, then allow play to continue as if everyone had lined up correctly, then you are correct. That's this rule: "If by mistake the officials permit a team to go the wrong direction, when discovered all points scored, fouls committed, and time consumed shall count as if each team had gone the proper direction. Play shall resume with each team going the proper direction based on bench location." If everybody lines up the right direction, there is a reasonable expectation that everybody knows which direction we're going. If a player then legally heads the wrong direction, you've got a different story. If that player scores in the wrong basket, the proper rule is this (my emphasis): "A successful try, tap or thrown ball that does not touch the floor, a teammate or official, from the field by a player who is located behind the team's own 19-foot, 9-inch line counts three points. Any other goal from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown. See 4-5-4." The question I imagined the OP asked was "what if rather than B coming back into their own frontcourt after having gone over the half line the first time, they stayed in their backcourt and scored at A's basket?" In that case, you live with your initial (kicked) no-call and the consequences. The consequences are A receives two points because a goal was scored at their basket. Then you kill the play, get them straightened out, and restart with B's throw-in from anywhere along A's endline. I would further add these seemingly contradictory statements:
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