Fight during game

[Dan_ref]

I'm having trouble understandng what the disagreement is here.

Clearly, if in your judgement an action by A1 instigates a fighting response from B1 then both players are guilty of fighting. The instigation could be words or actions. That is the rule.

And as Rut said, getting your azz kicked does not mean you didn't fight.

Just means you didn't fight well.

(And I'm tempted to add if you don't fight well & get your azz kicked maybe there's a lesson to be learned, but I wouldn't want to stir anyone up with such an insensitive comment...)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I'm having trouble understandng what the disagreement is here.

Clearly, if in your judgement an action by A1 instigates a fighting response from B1 then both players are guilty of fighting. The instigation could be words or actions. That is the rule.

And as Rut said, getting your azz kicked does not mean you didn't fight.

Just means you didn't fight well.

But is is NOT the rule. An actoin by A1 causing B1 to fight is not necessarily a fight. Perhaps B1 got tired of being fouled...simple, plain, fouls. B1 can not take offense, start a fight, and get A1 tossed too just becasue B1 responds by fighting.

The rule is that if A1 either throws a punch/kick/etc. or commits an unsporting act (defined in the rulebook as a non-contact foul) and B1 responds by fighting, then A1 is fighting. It doesn't NOT say that if A1 commits a foul and B1 responds by fighting that A1 has fought.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But is is NOT the rule. An actoin by A1 causing B1 to fight is not necessarily a fight. Perhaps B1 got tired of being fouled...simple, plain, fouls. B1 can not take offense, start a fight, and get A1 tossed too just becasue B1 responds by fighting.

The rule is that if A1 either throws a punch/kick/etc. or commits an unsporting act (defined in the rulebook as a non-contact foul) and B1 responds by fighting, then A1 is fighting. It doesn't NOT say that if A1 commits a foul and B1 responds by fighting that A1 has fought.

Uhhh....Camron...?

Where did I say that A1 commits a foul?

All I said was "if in your judgement an action by A1 instigates a fighting response from B1 then both players are guilty of fighting".

Which I believe agrees with your post 137%. And BTW, my response to A1 getting tired of being fouled is for A1 to tell his coach he needs to get some bench time. IOW I don't care that A1 thinks he's getting fouled too much. Not my concern. But I digress.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Uhhh....Camron...?

Where did I say that A1 commits a foul?

You said "an action"....a very broad term. That could easily be a foul.

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

All I said was "if in your judgement an action by A1 instigates a fighting response from B1 then both players are guilty of fighting".

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You said "an action"....a very broad term. That could easily be a foul.

Well, I did also say "in your judgement", so just how "easily" any action is judged to instigate a fight is very much dependant on, well, your judgement.

If you think a foul could "easily" lead to a fight then I'm not going to argue your judgement or experience. Just don't expect me to agree with you.

[fonzzy07]

We as refs need to be careful too. take a look.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3AG39NQP8yc&search=referee