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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I'm having trouble understandng what the disagreement is here.
Clearly, if in your judgement an action by A1 instigates a fighting response from B1 then both players are guilty of fighting. The instigation could be words or actions. That is the rule.
And as Rut said, getting your azz kicked does not mean you didn't fight.
Just means you didn't fight well.
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But is is NOT the rule. An actoin by A1 causing B1 to fight is not necessarily a fight. Perhaps B1 got tired of being fouled...simple, plain, fouls. B1 can not take offense, start a fight, and get A1 tossed too just becasue B1 responds by fighting.
The rule is that if A1 either throws a punch/kick/etc. or commits an unsporting act (defined in the rulebook as a non-contact foul) and B1 responds by fighting, then A1 is fighting. It doesn't NOT say that if A1 commits a foul and B1 responds by fighting that A1 has fought.