Backcourt Violation - Mavs Heat

[DPR]

but is there anyplace that explains this better? some people are still confused.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DPR

but is there anyplace that explains this better? some people are still confused.

We've explained it and also cited the rule word-for-word. If they're still confused, then they're gonna have to stay confused.

All anyone has to do is read the first page of this thread. If they can't understand it, they can't be helped.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by DPR

but is there anyplace that explains this better? some people are still confused.

They aren't confused. They just refuse to believe that the play was correctly ruled on.

I don't know how to make it any simplier, DPR.

On a throw-in, a player can jump from his frontcourt, catch the ball and land in his backcourt. It's legal. That's what happened. It's that simple.

[BktBallRef]

Here ya go, DPR. This is the closest play I could find. It's basically the same as what the rule addressed.

From the NBA Case Book.

Play 348. Following a regular or 20-second timeout,Team A exercises its option and moves the ball to the 28’ hash mark. On the throw-in Player A1 passes the ball to Player A2 who is positioned in the backcourt. What is the ruling?

During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or overtime, any throw-in may be passed anywhere on the playing court. Frontcourt/backcourt status is established when a player with the ball secures a positive position on the court.

Since Wade doesn't have the ball until he's airborne and he then lands in the BC, he now has established his position. Legal play.

[Texas Aggie]

AS HE'S RELEASING THE BALL, not AFTER HE'S RELEASED THE BALL. The contact has already occurred at this point and the ball is already out of his hand, Aggie. Nice try though!

You are making an absolute FOOL out of yourself.

The picture shows Dirk's right hand a foot or more BEHIND Wade when Wade is RELEASING the ball. His fingertips are still on the balll, or extremely close to it, for heaven's sakes. You did not state that the contact had already occured. What you said was: "He jerks it away as he hears the whistle." The pic shows that not to be true either, as there has been no whistle and won't be for another second or more. Sorry, but your arrogance doesn't cover up for your being incorrect.

Like I said, don't make things up. There's plenty of issues to legitimately argue about. There may even have been a foul on that play, but your statements were wrong.

[blah]

TexasAggie.....you are clueless like many in College Station....and you make mavs fans look like a bunch of idiots. Please tell me that you are a ref in CS because that will tell me sooooo much.


http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7...ourtvio5ow.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14vpao0.jpg

these pictures are all that matter


I know you refs see the hand on the back almost everytime down the court and it is hardly ever called. Yes its a foul but not called very often. Wade also pushed terry to the ground and grabbed Howards privates on the way to the basket so Dirl should have never got to put his hand there.
As for the other pic.....its blurry but if you believe his foot is on the ground then you agree that he has established position and it should be a backcourt. if you dont then ill post the video so that you can see that he also takes 3 steps.

I still dont understand why people are talking about the Harris on the arm stuff because it wasnt called on him so it shouldnt be an issue.


This doesnt have anythign to do with this thread but did you know that the FT's were 25-49, the biggest gap in NBA Finals History. Also that they went to the FT line 11 straight times down the court......

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by blah

you are clueless like many in College Station.... Please tell me that you are a ref in CS because that will tell me sooooo much.

I know you refs see the hand on the back almost everytime down the court and it is hardly ever called. Yes its a foul but not called very often.

ill post the video so that you can see that he also takes 3 steps.

I still dont understand why people are talking about the Harris on the arm stuff because it wasnt called on him so it shouldnt be an issue.

This doesnt have anythign to do with this thread but did you know that the FT's were 25-49, the biggest gap in NBA Finals History.

There's just too much crap in here to shovel through.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blah

TexasAggie.....you are clueless like many in College Station....and you make mavs fans look like a bunch of idiots. Please tell me that you are a ref in CS because that will tell me sooooo much.


http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7...ourtvio5ow.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/14vpao0.jpg

these pictures are all that matter


I know you refs see the hand on the back almost everytime down the court and it is hardly ever called. Yes its a foul but not called very often. Wade also pushed terry to the ground and grabbed Howards privates on the way to the basket so Dirl should have never got to put his hand there.
As for the other pic.....its blurry but if you believe his foot is on the ground then you agree that he has established position and it should be a backcourt. if you dont then ill post the video so that you can see that he also takes 3 steps.

I still dont understand why people are talking about the Harris on the arm stuff because it wasnt called on him so it shouldnt be an issue.


This doesnt have anythign to do with this thread but did you know that the FT's were 25-49, the biggest gap in NBA Finals History. Also that they went to the FT line 11 straight times down the court......

Geeze, it's that time of year, isn't it? All the idiot fanboys show up. Never refereed a game in their lives and don't have a clue what the rules are or how they're called. "You nasty referees screwed our team--boo-hoo-hoo..".

You are amusing though. Once.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by blah

I know you refs see the hand on the back almost everytime down the court and it is hardly ever called. Yes its a foul but not called very often.

A hand in the back while dribbling? No.

A hand in the back while shooting? Always.

Originally Posted by blah

This doesnt have anything to do with this thread but did you know that the FT's were 25-49, the biggest gap in NBA Finals History. Also that they went to the FT line 11 straight times down the court......

That wouldn't have anything to do with them fouling Wade almost every time he went to the basket or their Hack-a-Shaq strategy, now would it?


Not to worry Mavs fans, the Mavs will still win this thing in 7.

[BktBallRef]

NBA: No backcourt violation on inbounds to Wade


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...-Story&srvc=sz

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Not to worry Mavs fans, the Mavs will still win this thing in 7.

Oops!! Guess not.

[BktBallRef]

PA Coach, what are you trying to say with that burry freeze frame from TV video?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mcuban

- So what you are saying is
1. we dont have the top 60 officials available.

Mark,

Some of the best officials in the country are working HS games only. Not everyone is interested in making the jump to work college or pro. It takes a lot of sacrifice to make those jumps and there are not enough slots for everyone that you or I would consider to be the best.

Originally Posted by mcuban

2. If we paid more to start officials with years of college experience who had reached a level of expertise based on the measurement techniques we currently use we could attract better, more qualified officials ? Im for that. In fact, im pushing for that.

Why would someone that makes 6 figures working basketball, then another 6 figures working their regular job want to take around $80,000 and with very little job security? A lot of college officials have very good jobs and work college basketball. They get to control their own schedule (they are independent contractors). They get to right a lot of their expenses off their taxes (because it is their business to officiate) and if you have gotten to the level of a Ed Hightower, Steve Welmer or Jim Burr, you are more known in the officiating community than most of the NBA staff. Why would someone want to give all those things up so they can work a year or two in the NBA and if they make one call you do not like, they will not have a job the following year. Now do not get me wrong there is a lot of money at stake at the college level and officials can lose their jobs there, but there are many more games around the country to work and if one conference does not want an official, there are others they can work for. If the NBA does not like you, there is no other place to go at that level.

Originally Posted by mcuban

- As far as being considered "expendable". Could you explain more about that ? Seriously, would like to know more about what you are saying there.

Look Mark (if this is really you) you have done nothing but complain about the officiating and the system the entire time you have been in the league. You have complained publicly about the staff and I am sure you have voiced your concerns about specific officials to the league. You claimed that certain officials were up to a standard and others were not. Now if you get rid of those guys, where do they have to go? You expect these officials that have never worked a single college game (which is the case with some of the NBA staff) to all of a sudden pick up games at the D1 level? The NBA game is a different game. Many of the officials that got to the NBA did not through HS, college than the NBA to work the NBA. It is not how the NBA chooses officials and is a reason you do not see a lot of officials trying to work NBA games.

Mark you seem like a bright guy and you have made a lot of money in business. Officiating is not like other businesses you have been involved in. Not everyone has the time or energy to work the NBA as an official. Even if you picked a guy that worked just HS, they would have to completely learn the NBA way because the mechanics, rules and philosophies are completely different and would take years to get a hold of as an official. It is a big jump for some of us to when we work a HS game as compared to a small college basketball game. I just do not think you understand the system and if you think you are going to have a NBA officiating staff of the very top 60 then you are not being realistic. Many of the officials that could work the NBA eliminate themselves from working the NBA.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

You are making an absolute FOOL out of yourself.

The picture shows Dirk's right hand a foot or more BEHIND Wade when Wade is RELEASING the ball. His fingertips are still on the balll, or extremely close to it, for heaven's sakes. You did not state that the contact had already occured. What you said was: "He jerks it away as he hears the whistle." The pic shows that not to be true either, as there has been no whistle and won't be for another second or more. Sorry, but your arrogance doesn't cover up for your being incorrect.

Like I said, don't make things up. There's plenty of issues to legitimately argue about. There may even have been a foul on that play, but your statements were wrong.

And you're being a prick.

When I stated that the foul occurred as he released the ball, that means while he is airborne and in the act of shooting. I didn't know I had to spell it out for you. As he hears the whistle, he jerks his hand away, relaizing that he had it in Wade's back. Even you should be able to see that the hand is clearly in Wade's back. Hell, his jersey is even wrinkle where his hand is pushing him. This picture is a SPLIT SECOND before your wonderful Dallas Morning News photo.



I know all people from Texas aren't this damn dumb. Buit obviously that idiot Cuban is setting the example for a lot of people.

I'm not going to split hairs with you. Nowitzki obviously fouled Wade, PERIOD, whether you like it or not. Get over it.