Situation with 5 seconds left

[Jurassic Referee]

1) The lead shoulda granted the timeout.
2) If team B was holding the ball for the throw-in, you shouldn't have granted team A's timeout request, unless you honestly can say that you recognized the TO request before B had the ball.
3) Once you did blow your whistle to grant team A the timeout though, you have to go ahead and give them that timeout. See NFHS casebook play 5.8.3SitE.
4) Tell team B coach "my bad".
5) Resume play after the timeout with team B getting a non-spot end line throw-in.

Sh!t happens. No big deal.

[Ref_ Fred]

unless you honestly can say that you recognized the TO request before B had the ball.

I did see the time out and waiting for the lead to call the TO. That is why I came with delay TO.

when I aske my partner why he didn't call it. He said he didn't see it.

I feel different about it I think he heard it. there is no way that he didn't see it or hear it. he was 5 feet away. This was not your typical HS game with 1000 people in gym. I did at 40 feet away.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ref_ Fred

I did see the time out and waiting for the lead to call the TO. That is why I came with delay TO.

You had it right then. As Chuck said, by rule it's not when you blow your whistle on the TO, it's when you recognize the TO request.

Either way, on time or late, team A got their deserved timeout anyway......iow, all's well that ends well. Good job on bailing your partner out.

[SeanFitzRef]

Me thinks partner was trying to get outta there, no?????

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You had it right then. As Chuck said, by rule it's not when you blow your whistle on the TO, it's when you recognize the TO request.

Ah, yes. Such a thing happened to me last season, leading to my first Coaches T in 3 years. Apparently, he didn't like the explanation I gave him, which was just what Chuck said. My whistle for Team A's TO was just late enough that Team B had stolen a pass and was going to have an easy layup at the opposite end.

[Ref_ Fred]

I'm glad it was a spring league and not regular season, the head coach was sitting in the stand, he did make sure that I heard about it after the game. The end result was he got an L. IMO nothing that we( notice the we, not putting it on my partner) may have caused, but in his eyes, it was all the officials for blowing the call.

[JRutledge]

Fred,

I am going to assume that your partner did not see the time out request and leave it at that. Now unless you saw him look directly at the player and you believe he just did not grant the timeout after seeing the request, then that might be another issue. Just because he is closer does not mean he is more likely to see the request. He might have been too close and you were in a better spot to give a timeout.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Two things:

1. when you see a player/coach request a timeout in the closing seconds of a game, blow the whistle no matter where the player is. I don't believe "primary" areas were at all meant to apply to timeout requests.
2. In situations where you have a delayed whistle on a timeout request, I tell the other coach that I didn't want to blow my whistle inadvertantly and the request was made earlier but I needed to confirm that
   • it really was a timeout request
   • the team had player control of the ball at the time of the request
   • the ball was still dead at the time of the request
   • it was the coach and not some fan behind the coach

[Ref_ Fred]

I am going to assume that your partner did not see the time out request and leave it at that. Now unless you saw him look directly at the player and you believe he just did not grant the timeout after seeing the request, then that might be another issue.

It was my first time working with this official, But not only 5 feet away, he was jumping up and down in front of him. He may have blanked out. Like I have many times when in my earlier years.

Also, I may have had a more of perriphial view of the court.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Ref_ Fred

I did see the time out and waiting for the lead to call the TO. That is why I came with delay TO.

My question is why did you feel it necessary to have a delayed whistle? It's not like calling a foul in someone else's primary. Last second situation we should be on the alert for time-out requests and call them as soon as we properly recognize and verify the request.

JMHO.

[REFVA]

why did you feel it necessary to have a delayed whistle?

You are absolutely correct. I was a little late and assumed that he was going to blow. I was wrong. I should have blown it when I saw it. I guess thinking about it, I was as laid back about it as he was...