IAABO Refresher Exam #17

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There used to be something called "floor violations". That was a long, long time ago that I last read about them.

If the rulebook no longer defines what constitutes a "throw-in violation", then we have to assume any violation by the offense committed before the throw-in ends is a throw-in violation.

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I think it's fine the way it is unless you're going for unity with NCAA. For simplicity, is like it to say, any violation by the throw-in team loses the arrow, by the defense keep the arrow, fouls do not change the arrow. Trying to make it throw in only violations by the offense is harder to remember for newer officials. Older ones screw this up enough as it is

[RefLarry]

The confirmed correct answer to #17 is "No".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RefLarry

The confirmed correct answer to #17 is "No".

#17 Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in under the alternating-possession procedure. A-1’s throw-in is kicked by A-2. The official awards the ball to Team B and has the scorer turn the arrow toward Team B’s basket. Is the official correct?

No, as I answered correctly, but this says otherwise:

6.4.5 SITUATION A: Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in under the alternating procedure. A1 commits a violation. RULING: B’s ball for a throw-in because of the violation. In addition, the possession arrow is reversed and is pointed towards B’s basket. Team B will have the next throw-in opportunity under the alternating procedure. Team A has lost its opportunity by virtue of the violation. A violation by Team A during an alternating-possession throw-in is the only way a team loses its turn under the procedure. COMMENT: If a foul by either team occurs before an alternating-possession throw-in ends, the foul is penalized as required and play continues as it normally would, but the possession arrow is not reversed. The same team will still have the arrow for the next alternating-possession throw-in. The arrow is reversed when an alternating-possession throw-in ends. (6-4-4)

[Nevadaref]

[QUOTE=BillyMac;1054382]4-42-5: The throw-in ends when:
a. The passed ball touches or is legally touched by another player inbounds.
b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out-of-bounds, except as in 7-5-7.
c. The throw-in team commits a throw-in violation.[/QUOTE]

Fixed it for ya.
You are using an old version of the NFHS Rules book for your cut and paste. Be aware of this. Precision in the wording of the rule matters in these very technical discussions that we have.

For example, I double-checked that the word legally does not appear in part b of this rule. Therefore, if A1 makes a throw-in pass and B1, who has a foot out of bounds, is the first player to touch the throw-in pass when he kicks/punches the ball, then this illegal contact does end the throw-in and the arrow needs to be switched.

I don’t like that part c conflicts with the first sentence of 6-4-6. The NFHS needs to make a decision and fix this. For the time being, since two rules conflict, I believe that we have to go with how the case book play instructs us to call this and that is any violation by Team A during a throw-in loses the arrow.