Double T, shoot free throws?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all you do not call a false double foul. Those just happen based on the the actions you have ruled.

Never stated that a false double foul was "called" (there is no false double foul signal). But like JRutledge stated (paraphrased), it is what it is. If I had to explain the chain of (high school) events to a coach, or to my assigner, I would definitely use the phrase "false double foul", "Coaches, what we have here is a false double foul, so we're going to ... yada, yada, yada". As Casey Stengel said, "You can look it up".

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And a dead ball contact technical at the NCAA level has a totally different penalty. Unless you call both plays a dead ball contact technical, then you would not go to POI on those situations.

Can't argue with that, JRutledge is a college guy, I'm certainly not.

And neither of my high school fouls example involved contact, sorry if I confused anybody.

Let's say that the profanity didn't happen, but was a unilateral dead ball flagrant punch.

Still, by rule, a high school false double foul.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A false double foul is when one of the fouls is live and the next foul is dead.

Still say that JRutledge's definition of a false double foul (for high school only) is only partially correct, yes, it can be a live ball foul followed by a dead ball foul, but it can be two dead ball fouls (not at the same time) as well.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Never stated that a false double foul was "called". But like JRutledge stated (paraphrased), it is what it is. If I had to explain the chain of (high school) events to a coach, or to my assigner, I would definitely use the phrase "false double foul", "Coaches, what we have here is a false double foul, so we're going to ... yada, yada, yada". As Casey Stengel said, "You can look it up".



Can't argue with that, JRutledge is a college guy, I'm certainly not.

And neither of my high school fouls example involved contact, sorry if I confused anybody.

Let's say that the profanity didn't happen, but was a unilateral dead ball flagrant punch.

Still, by rule, a high school false double foul.



Still say that JRutledge's definition of a false double foul (for high school only) is only partially correct, yes, it can be a live ball foul followed by a dead ball foul, but it can be two dead ball fouls (not at the same time) as well.

It was said by someone else that they called a false double foul. They called a T that then led to dead ball contact foul. Again DBCF has a totally separate penalty, so you cannot just couple that with other Ts that are not related. And if they called a Flagrant foul, they cannot do that as well.

I was not speaking on the behalf of high school not once in this topic. So please stop making this about high school because that has totally different penalties or results.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was said by someone else that they called a false double foul.

Agree. Coach Bill. Not me.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I was not speaking on the behalf of high school not once in this topic.

Which is why I stated ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... for those high school officials trying to compare/contrast as they follow this thread ...

I was just concerned about the definition, not the penalties or results.

So can I assume that the high school definition (just the definition, not the penalty) of a false double foul is much different that NCAA, with NFHS including a combination of dead ball and live ball fouls, as well as dead ball fouls only; while the NCAA definition of a false double foul only includes a live ball foul followed by a dead ball foul?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A false double foul is when one of the fouls is live and the next foul is dead.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS 4-19-9: A false double foul is a situation in which there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first, and such that at least one of the attributes of a double foul is absent.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So can I assume that the high school definition (just the definition, not the penalty) of a false double foul is much different that NCAA,

you can get the NCAA definition on line for free.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was said by someone else that they called a false double foul. They called a T that then led to dead ball contact foul. Again DBCF has a totally separate penalty, so you cannot just couple that with other Ts that are not related. And if they called a Flagrant foul, they cannot do that as well.

I was not speaking on the behalf of high school not once in this topic. So please stop making this about high school because that has totally different penalties or results.

Peace

I truly meant to say that it appeared to be administered "like" a false double foul, not that a false double was called. That's my fault for starting this up. Just meant they penalized both and shot free throws, gave offended team of the DBCT, the ball.

"After the last free throw for a false double foul (See Rule 4-15.4), the
ball shall be put in play as if the penalty for the last foul of the false double
foul were the only one administered when the last foul was a single flagrant 2
technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul."