Double T, shoot free throws?

[Coach Bill]

Two questions: Double technical was called, so:
1. why were the free throws shot, and
2. why was Norfolk given the ball at the division line?

No one from either team was ejected on the play.

[Raymond]

It's a 21 minute video. At what point do the technical fouls happen?

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[Raymond]

Found it at the 8-minute mark.

Since one of the two technical fouls was for dead ball contact, all free throws are shot. Anytime there is a dead ball contact technical, the offended team gets a throw-in.

The throw-in should have been in the back court at the spot of the infraction. NCAA Men's no longer does division line throw-ins for dead ball contact technical fouls

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[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Found it at the 8-minute mark.

Since one of the two technical fouls was for dead ball contact, all free throws are shot. Anytime there is a dead ball contact technical, the offended team gets a throw-in.

The throw-in should have been in the back court at the spot of the infraction. NCAA Men's no longer does division line throw-ins for dead ball contact technical fouls

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I tried to set up the video so when you click on it, it goes to 8:06 and runs for 40 seconds ish. That's what it does for me, not sure why its not working.
Also, do you have the rule #, I can look up?

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Found it at the 8-minute mark.

Since one of the two technical fouls was for dead ball contact, all free throws are shot. Anytime there is a dead ball contact technical, the offended team gets a throw-in.

The throw-in should have been in the back court at the spot of the infraction. NCAA Men's no longer does division line throw-ins for dead ball contact technical fouls

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Who's ball should it have been?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Who's ball should it have been?

When there is a dead ball contact technical, the team that got offended. The Coppin State player pushed the Norfolk State player, so NSU got the ball.

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[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Raymond

When there is a dead ball contact technical, the team that got offended. The Coppin State player pushed the Norfolk State player, so NSU got the ball.

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I disagree on that, based on this paragraph in the section you mentioned:

RESUMPTION OF PLAY—For any technical foul(s), play shall resume at the
point of interruption using the procedures in Rule 7-3.2, including for a
single flagrant 2 technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul
(Art. 1.e through .k).

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I disagree on that, based on this paragraph in the section you mentioned:

RESUMPTION OF PLAY—For any technical foul(s), play shall resume at the
point of interruption using the procedures in Rule 7-3.2, including for a
single flagrant 2 technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul
(Art. 1.e through .k).

Also, disagree on shooting free throws, based on this:

h. When a double technical foul or any simultaneous foul occurs during
a stopped-clock period, all fouls shall be charged but no free throws
shall be awarded if the penalties are equal. Only the number of free
throws awarded shall be used to determine if the penalties are equal. If
the penalties are not equal, all free throws shall be administered. The
game shall resume at the point of interruption using the procedures
in Rule 7-3.2 unless one team has been awarded possession of the ball
as part of a penalty.


I've watched scores of college games this year. Saw several instances where one player is talking (taunting), the other player pushes him away. Never seen it not called double technical and go to POI.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I disagree on that, based on this paragraph in the section you mentioned:



RESUMPTION OF PLAY—For any technical foul(s), play shall resume at the

point of interruption using the procedures in Rule 7-3.2, including for a

single flagrant 2 technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul

(Art. 1.e through .k).

The rule book is wrong. The NCAA put out a correction at the beginning of the season.

Corrections to Rule Book: 1. Pages 96 and 97 under “Resumption of Play”- The book reads, “For any Technical fouls . . .” This is not correct. Replace “including” with “excluding” because after F2 technicals and Contact Dead Ball Technical’s (CDBT’s), play will resume with a throw-in from a spot nearest to where the foul occurred using Rule 7-3.2. Again, on Page 97 under “Resumption of Play”, replace “including” with “excluding”.. “a single F2 technical foul”.

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[Multiple Sports]

Raymond give me a couple days...I'll get you an answer as to ball was put in at division line. Where you at the game??

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Raymond give me a couple days...I'll get you an answer as to ball was put in at division line. Where you at the game??

No sir. Have never attended a MEAC tournament game. And since I'm retired now, I never will...LOL

I only attend games where I can get in for free.

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[Raymond]

Rule 10 Section 3. Class A Unsporting Technical Infractions

Art 1.
e. Contacting an opponent, while the ball is dead, in an unnecessary, unacceptable and excessive manner.

PENALTY—Two free throws shall be awarded to any member of the offended team. No free throws shall be awarded for a double or simultaneous technical foul unless only one of the fouls is included in Art. 1.e through .k. Counts toward the team-foul total. Applies toward disqualification and ejection (Art. 1.a through .e).

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[Raymond]

At one time the penalty was always a throw-in by the offended team for dead ball contact technicals, even if they were part of a double technical. Maybe that is no longer the case since the penalty is highlighted in blue in the rule book, indicating there was a change.

I missed about 23 months of officiating prior to this season (injured my knee in a college game around Thanksgiving 2019), so I might have missed a rule change in that regard.

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[Raymond]

4-15 Art. 4. False double foul. A false double foul occurs when there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the game clock is started after it is stopped for the first.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

4-15 Art. 4. False double foul. A false double foul occurs when there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the game clock is started after it is stopped for the first.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

you can get the NCAA definition on line for free.

Free here on the Forum also. I'm assuming that Raymond won't be billing me.