Block or Charge? Non-torso contact

[tnolan]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

It does not get any easier than that.

MTD, Sr.

On paper, the Browns were the best team in the AFC North!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Sometimes you just have to referee. Not all plays are alike or have the same response. You will never find a "one size fits all" application.

Peace

Through all my conversations and conflicting views on the subject, I've ended up exactly there.
I think sometimes we run out of things to discuss and begin to overthink and over analyze things, when it's just best to keep it simple most nights.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by tnolan

On paper, the Browns were the best team in the AFC North!



Through all my conversations and conflicting views on the subject, I've ended up exactly there.
I think sometimes we run out of things to discuss and begin to overthink and over analyze things, when it's just best to keep it simple most nights.

I am a life long Browns fan; considerably longer than anyone else in this Forum. And NO! The Browns, on paper, were not the best team in the AFC North: The Bengals and Steelers were and they made the playoffs, not the Browns. I will not critize Mayfield's (or any Brown's player's effort) on the field but he is just a better than average CFL quarterback. We have not had a playoff caliber QB since Brian Sipe and Berner Kosar (Boardman Twp. native; large suburban towship on the south side of Youngstown and alumus, along with my sister of the University of Miami).

MTD, Sr.


P.S. That last time that the Browns had a good draft was in 2014 when Sonny Weaver, Jr. was General Manager.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

We have not had a playoff caliber QB since Brian Sipe and Berner Kosar ...

Johnny Manziel?

[thedewed]

interesting, here is what I would add that hasn't been said.

just because you have contact between a ball handler and a defender and somebody ends up on the ground doesn't necessarily mean you have a call. the old saying of basically 'if you have players on the court, you better have a whistle' isn't appropriate. So for example, a defender have the right to a spot on the floor, and isn't under obligation to move out of the way if a dribbler is coming at him. at the same time, if the ball handler gets his head and shoulders past the defender, you really shouldn't call a foul on him either. so don't call anything.

I got hired into collegiate officiating by being questioned about such a non-call by the group of senior officials in the dead ball huddle of a camp game, explaining why I didn't have a call despite the old wives tale mentioned above, was reported to the head of officials because a female referee was involved as one of the clinicians and it was construed as me being disrespectful with her in attendance (apparently I don't discriminate), and when I got in front of the head, he was impressed with my explanation and balls to lay it out in front of the older officials. best thing that ever happened to me.

secondly, I think if a defender 'guesses' right in terms of a drivers change of direction in a Euro step move, etc, and takes the blow, he's going to likely get the benefit of the doubt from me and a charge call. Seems like I see quite a few plays take place where that isn't the case.

Charges taken by defenders, particularly secondary, are great team defense and one of the aspects that make the game so great, help on defense. the game wouldn't be the same without it. you have drivers these days that are as shifty and quick as running backs and creating a lot of the contact themselves. the rules of the game are great in that they reward position and penalize displacement, most prominently in this b/c play.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Johnny Manziel?

Don't even think about getting me started on Johnny Maziel!

MTD, Sr.


P.S. That last time that the Browns had a good draft was in 2014 when Sonny Weaver, Jr. was General Manager.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am a life long Browns fan; considerably longer than anyone else in this Forum. And NO! The Browns, on paper, were not the best team in the AFC North: The Bengals and Steelers were and they made the playoffs, not the Browns. I will not critize Mayfield's (or any Brown's player's effort) on the field but he is just a better than average CFL quarterback. We have not had a playoff caliber QB since Brian Sipe and Berner Kosar (Boardman Twp. native; large suburban towship on the south side of Youngstown and alumus, along with my sister of the University of Miami).

MTD, Sr.


P.S. That last time that the Browns had a good draft was in 2014 when Sonny Weaver, Jr. was General Manager.

I'm dropping the red flag on that Mark Birthdate?

[JRutledge]

Isn't Mark Padgett still on the site? Might have the other Mark beat.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Isn't Mark Padgett still on the site? Might have the other Mark beat.

Peace

Jeff:

I am pretty sure that Mark was born before me, but I think that he is no longer with us. I know that he had been living in a nursing home after he had a heart attack.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Jeff:

I am pretty sure that Mark was born before me, but I think that he is no longer with us. I know that he had been living in a nursing home after he had a heart attack.

MTD, Sr.

Is there any way we can confirm this? I did not want to assume that was the case.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am pretty sure that Mark was born before me, but I think that he is no longer with us. I know that he had been living in a nursing home after he had a heart attack.

I tried emailing him (real email) a few times, with no response.

Now, how will young'uns learn the First Rule of Officiating?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Isn't Mark Padgett still on the site? Might have the other Mark beat.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is there any way we can confirm this? I did not want to assume that was the case.

Peace

Originally Posted by billyu2

April 20, 1949 here. Well, Draft Day 2014 was pretty much a box office failure.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I tried emailing him (real email) a few times, with no response.

Now, how will young'uns learn the First Rule of Officiating?

1a) Let me address billyu2 and Sonny Weaver, Jr. I bow you your three years seniority. But you still have to admit that Sonny did have a better draft than recent Browns drafts. My birth hometown is Linwood, Kansas, my mom's hometown, but my dad's hometown is Youngstown, Ohio and we moved back to Youngstown when I was only one year old. Youngstown Liberty H.S., Class of 1969, and Youngstown State, Class of 1980.

1b) billyu2: For us that live (I live in my better half's hometown of Toledo: Go Mud Hens!) Youngstown the Browns-Steelers rivalry for some families is a civil war, and mine was no different. I am a life long Browns fan and my sister (younger) is a life long Steelers fan. She did not change allegiance even when the Browns drafted Kosar out of U of Miami (where she graduated in 1977 and played golf on the women's team there for four years.

2) Mark Padgett is alive and well and is 73 years old. He indeed did have a heart attack and is living Cedar Sini Park Senior Living (https://cedarsinaipark.org/senior-ca...itzer-manor-2/) in Portland, Oregon. He is 73 years old. Here is an article about him from October 19, 2019: https://orjewishlife.com/mark-padget...-and-politics/

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

I'm dropping the red flag on that Mark Birthdate?

Nov. 09, 1951

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Do you agree with me that the Browns last great draft was in 2014 when Sonny Weaver, Jr. was the General Manager?

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Nov. 09, 1951

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Do you agree with me that the Browns last great draft was in 2014 when Sonny Weaver, Jr. was the General Manager?

April 20, 1949 here. Well, Draft Day 2014 was pretty much a box office failure.