Block or Charge? Non-torso contact

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by tnolan

These types of plays can sometimes be difficult to judge, IMHO.
Possible legal defender and the offensive player changes direction via a euro-step and makes contact with the defender outside the torso, normally with the shoulder. Defender falls to the ground and the offensive player flails away and puts up an attempt/shot.
What do you have?

I try not to read too deep into the rule book and there are so many different philosophies on block/charges that come into this mix.
Referee the defense
What did the defender do wrong?
Players don't have to "take" a charge
Offensive initiated contact (OIC)
Torso contact for charges, shoulder contact blocks

And obviously the defense can move (not forward) as long as they're essentially not undercutting the shooters start for the attempt. But what about the offense? They have the onus to avoid contact by stopping or changing direction, in order to try to get their body past the torso of the defender. So, does the attempt to change direction and OIC into the shoulder of a legal defender change this call in either way?

Seems as though this contact ends up in block calls the majority of the time, at most/all levels. I'd be interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this call, these theories, and our never ending battle for call consistency across the world/nation/state/chapter.

1) Has B1 Obtained (NFHS and NCAA Women's)/Established (NCAA Men's and FIBA) LGP? If YES, go to (2) and if NO, go to (4).

2) Was the contact between A1 and B1 within B1's Cylinder of Verticality? If yes, to (3).

3) PF by A1 against B1.

4) PF by B1 against A1.

It does not get any easier than that.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Sometimes you just have to referee. Not all plays are alike or have the same response. You will never find a "one size fits all" application.

Peace

[tnolan]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

It does not get any easier than that.

MTD, Sr.

On paper, the Browns were the best team in the AFC North!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Sometimes you just have to referee. Not all plays are alike or have the same response. You will never find a "one size fits all" application.

Peace

Through all my conversations and conflicting views on the subject, I've ended up exactly there.
I think sometimes we run out of things to discuss and begin to overthink and over analyze things, when it's just best to keep it simple most nights.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by tnolan

On paper, the Browns were the best team in the AFC North!



Through all my conversations and conflicting views on the subject, I've ended up exactly there.
I think sometimes we run out of things to discuss and begin to overthink and over analyze things, when it's just best to keep it simple most nights.

I am a life long Browns fan; considerably longer than anyone else in this Forum. And NO! The Browns, on paper, were not the best team in the AFC North: The Bengals and Steelers were and they made the playoffs, not the Browns. I will not critize Mayfield's (or any Brown's player's effort) on the field but he is just a better than average CFL quarterback. We have not had a playoff caliber QB since Brian Sipe and Berner Kosar (Boardman Twp. native; large suburban towship on the south side of Youngstown and alumus, along with my sister of the University of Miami).

MTD, Sr.


P.S. That last time that the Browns had a good draft was in 2014 when Sonny Weaver, Jr. was General Manager.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

We have not had a playoff caliber QB since Brian Sipe and Berner Kosar ...

Johnny Manziel?

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am a life long Browns fan; considerably longer than anyone else in this Forum. And NO! The Browns, on paper, were not the best team in the AFC North: The Bengals and Steelers were and they made the playoffs, not the Browns. I will not critize Mayfield's (or any Brown's player's effort) on the field but he is just a better than average CFL quarterback. We have not had a playoff caliber QB since Brian Sipe and Berner Kosar (Boardman Twp. native; large suburban towship on the south side of Youngstown and alumus, along with my sister of the University of Miami).

MTD, Sr.


P.S. That last time that the Browns had a good draft was in 2014 when Sonny Weaver, Jr. was General Manager.

I'm dropping the red flag on that Mark Birthdate?