The Most Misunderstood NFHS Basketball Rules ...

[BryanV21]

So it doesn't matter if the ball is dropped/fumbled and the ball hits the floor BEFORE the shooter touches the ball again? It would still be a traveling violation?

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So it doesn't matter if the ball is dropped/fumbled and the ball hits the floor BEFORE the shooter touches the ball again? It would still be a traveling violation?

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If you deem the action is the start of a dribble, touching the ball does not matter if the pivot foot has been lifted. And if you jump in the air with both feet, you cannot be doing that without the pivot foot being lifted now can you?

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you deem the action is the start of a dribble, touching the ball does not matter if the pivot foot has been lifted. And if you jump in the air with both feet, you cannot be doing that without the pivot foot being lifted now can you?



Peace

And if the fumble/drop is NOT deemed as the start of a dribble, but I an actual fumble?

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

And if the fumble/drop is NOT deemed as the start of a dribble, but I an actual fumble?

A fumble by definition is an accidental loss of the ball. You cannot "fumble" the ball on purpose. And you can always recover a fumble.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A fumble by definition is an accidental loss of the ball. You cannot "fumble" the ball on purpose. And you can always recover a fumble.



Peace

If you can always recover a fumble, then why is the airborne shooter play being discussed in question?

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If you can always recover a fumble, then why is the airborne shooter play being discussed in question?

I cannot explain why some here like to nitpick everything, but a fumble is clearly by definition an accidental loss of the ball and a dribble is actually throwing, batting or pushing the ball to the floor. So one is unintentional and the other is very intentional. And since the rule says that you cannot start a dribble while moving your pivot foot, I think some are trying to suggest the only way you can call that is if you touch the ball again when that is not how the rule reads.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot explain why some here like to nitpick everything, but a fumble is clearly by definition an accidental loss of the ball and a dribble is actually throwing, batting or pushing the ball to the floor. So one is unintentional and the other is very intentional. And since the rule says that you cannot start a dribble while moving your pivot foot, I think some are trying to suggest the only way you can call that is if you touch the ball again when that is not how the rule reads.



Peace

By definition the play seems legal, but I'm so confused now because it sounds like the book says that play is illegal.

I just want to know what to call, because Murphy's Law says that will happen in my game Friday night.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... some are trying to suggest the only way you can call that is if you touch the ball again when that is not how the rule reads.

I'm the "some", and JRutledge is correct, that's how the rule reads.

But since I can't read minds, in a real game, I'm waiting until the airborne player (who purposely drops the ball) touches the ball after it hits the floor. This is the only way I can know with 100% certainty that it wasn't an intended (legal) bounce pass, no such thing as a "self pass".

When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and touches the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot explain why some here like to nitpick everything ...

Because when I write something, put my name on it, and publish it, I want to be 100% certain that what I wrote is 100% factual.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A fumble by definition is an accidental loss of the ball. You cannot "fumble" the ball on purpose. And you can always recover a fumble.

Well stated. Agree. One can always fumble, dribble, and fumble, but can't dribble, fumble, and dribble (if ball picked up from fumble with both hands).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you deem the action is the start of a dribble, touching the ball does not matter if the pivot foot has been lifted.

Agree.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So it doesn't matter if the ball is dropped/fumbled and the ball hits the floor BEFORE the shooter touches the ball again? It would still be a traveling violation?

When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and touches the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and touches the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

So if it's not a purposeful drop/fumble then no violation has occurred? I was assuming it was unintentional.

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