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Old Mon Aug 16, 2021, 08:47am
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Is this a backcourt violation? The airborne player had frontcourt status when he caught the ball and landed in the backcourt. Should a violation have been ruled?

Two choices: This is a backcourt violation. This is not a backcourt violation.

My comment: This is not a backcourt violation. During a jump ball, any player may legally jump from his frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor, and return to the floor with one, or both, feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing, and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt, or the backcourt.
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Old Mon Aug 16, 2021, 09:10am
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Easy no call.

Shouldn't be much discussion on this one.
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Shouldn't be much discussion on this one.
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Old Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:17am
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This is a debate? I guess some people need to look up the rules on what constitutes a backcourt violation. But then again I am sure someone will post an irrelevant definition over and over again to prove some point.

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Old Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:25am
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This is a debate? ... what constitutes a backcourt violation.
It isn't yet.

Already stated in my comment, but here it is:

9-9-3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.
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Old Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:04am
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Shouldn't be much discussion on this one.
Noticed bob jenkins decided to sit out and just be a spectator in the earlier Fun With The Division Line thread.

Smart man.

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Old Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:18am
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I was very aware.

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Old Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:16pm
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Easy no call.
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This is a debate?
Early IAABO Make The Call Video returns indicate, for the most part, "This is not a backcourt violation".

One that caught my eye had the wrong reason, citing the three point dribbling exception rule.

Any official that has been to a few rodeos has heard this "wrong way" explanation before.

Trainers need to be aware of these "myths" and stop them before they take hold, grow, and spread, nipping them in the bud.



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I guess some people need to look up the rules on what constitutes a backcourt violation.
Which "some people"? Has anyone who has posted in this thread disagreed with, or questioned, the no-call by the officials in the video?
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Which "some people"? Has anyone who has posted in this thread disagreed with, or questioned, the no-call by the officials in the video?
All my comments are not about you. I did not say a single thing about anyone in this thread. Not a single word.

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All my comments are not about you. I did not say a single thing about anyone in this thread.
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I guess some people need to look up the rules on what constitutes a backcourt violation.
Never thought it was directed at me. I am very confident that I have the correct interpretation, and probably share that interpretation with JRutledge.

I was just curious about who "some people" are"?

Could "some people" refer to those IAABO members who will inevitably get this interpretation wrong.

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Early IAABO Make The Call Video returns indicate, for the most part, "This is not a backcourt violation". One that caught my eye had the wrong reason, citing the three point dribbling exception rule.
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Old Tue Aug 17, 2021, 11:15am
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Never thought it was directed at me. I am very confident that I have the correct interpretation.

I was just curious about who "some people" are"?

Could "some people" refer to those IAABO members who will inevitably get this interpretation wrong.
Again it was not personal or directed towards anyone. There are people that would think this was an obvious violation and I am saying this is right out of the book as to not being one. Also, many people do not know basic jump ball rules, like when or if the jump ball ends. It was not even about IAABO people, because if I polled this on my site or other places, I know there would be people that would say this was a violation. There always is one and that was kind of my point.

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Old Tue Aug 17, 2021, 11:26am
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There are people that would think this was an obvious violation and I am saying this is right out of the book as to not being one.
And, surprisingly to me, JRutledge would be correct (not surprised that JRutledge was correct, but surprised that more than just a few outliers would think this was an obvious violation).

I should have paid attention to my own comment.

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Could "some people" refer to those IAABO members who will inevitably get this interpretation wrong.
Early IAABO Make The Call Video comments:

This is a backcourt violation. Unlike a throw in.

This is a backcourt violation. Established front court status

This is a backcourt violation. The player must establish back court status before he touches the ball.

This is a backcourt violation. Front court established, then steps into backcourt. A violation.

This is a backcourt violation. Appears that play was in front court and jumps into the air to get the jump ball tipped into the air.

This is a backcourt violation. No team position on the tip. Caught the ball in the air. Landed in the backcourt (one or both feet, or the center line).

This is a backcourt violation.The player who received the ball had established front court status, but received the ball in the backcourt, before establishing backcourt status. Backcourt violation.

This is a backcourt violation. Hell of a way to start the game.

This is a backcourt violation. By rule-yes.

This is a backcourt violation. Feet in frontcourt when jumped.


That's just from the first hundred, or so, comments.

I fully empathize with some calling this a backcourt violation in the heat of a real game, in real time. A jump ball is, after all, a microburst of mayhem for many, but it's so much easier to get it right in a video, especially when one knows in advance that something "weird" is about to happen.
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