Fun With Continuous Motion …

[BillyMac]

IAABO Make The Call Video

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Should this goal count? Was the continuous motion rule properly applied to this play? The official rules the ball handler was in the act of shooting when the foul occurred in the lane and awards the goal. Was this an accurate ruling?

Two choices: This is an accurate ruling. This ruling is inaccurate.

My comment: This is an accurate ruling. The ball does not become dead until the try or tap for field goal ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when a foul, other than player-control or team-control, occurs by any opponent of a player who has started a try or tap for field goal (is in the act of shooting) before the foul occurred, provided time did not expire before the ball was in flight. The trying motion must be continuous and begins after the ball comes to rest in the player’s hand(s) on a try or touches the hand(s) on a tap, and is completed when the ball is clearly in flight. The trying motion may include arm, foot or body movements used by the player when throwing the ball at his/her basket.

[BillyMac]

Nice group of polite, not unruly fans in the far side bleachers.

I'm definitely not the best looking guy in the world, but those cheerleaders on the floor look like a pack of dogs.

[BillyMac]

Would have liked to have heard a cadence whistle from the Trail, waiting to see if the Lead had it (which he did).

I can almost hear the Black Team coach saying, "How can you call that from here?".

[JRutledge]

Count the basket.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Would have liked to have heard a cadence whistle from the Trail, waiting to see if the Lead had it (which he did).

I can almost hear the Black Team coach saying, "How can you call that from here?".

I know what you're saying, but, consider that it was the primary defender on a drive from the T's primary and the foul occurred just below the FT line. There are a lot of places that have that as the T's call first (take the primary defender on the drive from your primary all the way to the basket) and the L's second.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... consider that it was the primary defender on a drive from the T's primary and the foul occurred just below the FT line. There are a lot of places that have that as the T's call first (take the primary defender on the drive from your primary all the way to the basket) and the L's second.

Great explanation Camron Rust. Thanks.

I was forgetting that I was in Rome. Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we have a forty-plus year old local custom that when a double whistle occurs in specific situations like this, the Trail drops his fist, and the Lead takes the call. It a part of everybody's pregame, even pregames that only go slightly beyond, "Good eye contact", and, "Don't screw up". We've always been trained that way, from the cradle to the grave.

Even though it's probably not fully "kosher" by NFHS (or IAABO) mechanics, it seems to work, no "blarges" in my games, or in games I've observed, in forty-plus years.

Of course, once again, as usual, as always, when in Rome ...

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know what you're saying, but, consider that it was the primary defender on a drive from the T's primary and the foul occurred just below the FT line. There are a lot of places that have that as the T's call first (take the primary defender on the drive from your primary all the way to the basket) and the L's second.

Connected defender is the term I am most familiar with. The trail does not look good on this play. Run up the court, don't walk. The non-verbal shrugging conversation with the coach after the play does not instill confidence. Count the basket for the original question.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

Connected defender is the term I am most familiar with. The trail does not look good on this play. Run up the court, don't walk. The non-verbal shrugging conversation with the coach after the play does not instill confidence. Count the basket for the original question.

Looks like the ballhandler was walking up the court until he got past the division line. I think the Trail was in a good position to stay connected to the play. I think it doesn't look good for him to be unaware that the Lead had picked up the play and also had a whistle.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

Connected defender is the term I am most familiar with. The trail does not look good on this play. Run up the court, don't walk. The non-verbal shrugging conversation with the coach after the play does not instill confidence. Count the basket for the original question.

"the connected defender" is also the phrase/principle that I was taught to apply in this type of play wherein the action is transitioning from my primary but the "competitive matchup" still inheres.
I am not one to engage in post-foul chatiness with coaches; so, I found the refs "back n forth" with coach to be less than exemplary. In fact the ref almost stumbled into a player trying to report his foul.
Regarding the play, the "continuous motion" principle was correctly applied. Good call ref!
Personally, I m not one to do the fist punch/team control sign for the "and one"; rather I just use the NF sign.

[Raymond]

"These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight."

That requires judgment. Different officials may have different standards of what constitutes the beginning of the throwing motion.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That requires judgment. Different officials may have different standards of what constitutes the beginning of the throwing motion.

When I first watched the video at normal speed, I determined that it was a "classic" continuous motion situation and to count the basket, but before I put my interpretation "out there" (to IAABO and to the Forum), I decided to watch the video again a slower speed and had the same polite debate in my head that JRutledge and Nevadaref are now having. When did the foul occur? When did the throwing motion start? I agree with JRutledge, both with his still photo of when the foul occurred, and his decision that the throwing motion had started before the foul.

I see Nevadaref's point. It's easy to interpret watching the video twice, including once at a slower speed; much harder to do in a real game, in real time.

[Raymond]

For NCAA Men's shooting/continous motion, defensive fouls go by when the contact occurred, but for the offense you go with when the whistle sounded.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

For NCAA Men's shooting/continous motion, defensive fouls go by when the contact occurred, but for the offense you go with when the whistle sounded.

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That is what I previously argued should be the way it is done but I was told it was not the case.