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Old Wed Jun 09, 2021, 09:48am
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As a basketball player, coach, and official for over fifty years, I've never called this violation, nor have I ever observed it being called.

Has anybody ever called this violation, or ever observed it being called?
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Old Wed Jun 09, 2021, 11:12am
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Dwight Howard was called for it in an NBA game when he was playing with the Lakers.

There was one time I called a 10-second violation on a free thrower. I believe it was in a JV game, but it is still a very rare call.
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Old Wed Jun 09, 2021, 11:31am
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Made this call in a summer league running clock game. There was about 18 seconds left in the first half when player recieved the ball at the line and the coach told him to wait. Ticked to 8 seconds and I blew it. Only time I have ever made the call and can confirm my 10 second counts was accurate.
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Old Wed Jun 09, 2021, 12:26pm
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Made this call in a summer league running clock game. There was about 18 seconds left in the first half when player recieved the ball at the line and the coach told him to wait. Ticked to 8 seconds and I blew it.
Running clock. Illegal advantage. I'd do the same.

Note: I've been fortunate not to have to work more than handful of running clock games in my forty years. Hated every single one. I always felt rushed.

Rushing (or just not taking one's time) through dead ball, clock not running situations is a recipe for a disaster.
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Old Wed Jun 09, 2021, 04:50pm
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As a basketball player, coach, and official for over fifty years, I've never called this violation, nor have I ever observed it being called.

Has anybody ever called this violation, or ever observed it being called?
Yes, I had one in March this past season. When I reviewed the video, it turned out my 10-second count actually took 14 seconds. The free thrower was a football-player-turned-basketball-player to help fill out the team's roster, so that might have had something to do with it

I might have called it one other time and that would have been in the early '90s.
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Old Wed Jun 09, 2021, 05:24pm
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Made this call in a summer league running clock game. There was about 18 seconds left in the first half when player recieved the ball at the line and the coach told him to wait. Ticked to 8 seconds and I blew it. Only time I have ever made the call and can confirm my 10 second counts was accurate.
That is why, with any running clock league where I have a say, we stop the clock in the last 30 seconds of the first half. That avoids any of those shenanigans that are not in the spirit of the game and doing it for the last 30 seconds doesn't meaningfully impact the duration of the game.
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14 seconds.
I've gotten up to eleven, or twelve, with my slow hand flick count, so it was probably a little higher on a clock. At eleven, or twelve, I'm saying to myself, "Please shoot the damn ball", and later, if I have to opportunity, I will privately say to the player. "Hey, you do know that you only have ten seconds to shoot a free throw and that I am counting. Right?".

I honestly don't know what I'd do if I ever got up to a thirteen, or fourteen, hand flick count with a player who wasn't obviously and purposely trying to be a knucklehead. I guess that I would have to call the violation. There's always a first time for everything.

If I did ever call it, I can 100% guarantee that my referee buddies would give me hard time at the local watering hole after the game. Probably get stuck buying a few beers.
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Old Wed Jun 09, 2021, 06:44pm
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Made this call in a summer league running clock game. There was about 18 seconds left in the first half when player recieved the ball at the line and the coach told him to wait. Ticked to 8 seconds and I blew it. Only time I have ever made the call and can confirm my 10 second counts was accurate.
That is why I hate running clock games. First, it encourages clock shenanigans that would not happen in regular games where the clock stops by rule, such as in the above post. Second, it leads to bad habits by officials (not signalling to stop the clock when the rules would otherwise require, e.g. on violations).
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Old Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:23pm
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I was called for it once--while the ball was in the air on the shot. My Dad (who reffed a bit) said he was counting and it was 7-8 seconds and he was watching the ref who did not have a visible count. It was middle school; sometimes you just get what you get. But still, many years later, that really annoys me.
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Old Thu Jun 10, 2021, 01:28pm
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I was called for it once--while the ball was in the air on the shot. My Dad said he was counting and it was 7-8 seconds and he was watching the ref who did not have a visible count. It was middle school; sometimes you just get what you get. But still, many years later, that really annoys me.
While I'm sure that many veteran officials have good reasons to make this call (running time, knuckleheads, etc.), I'm also sure that there are a few officials out there, probably mostly rookies, who make this call as a "Got'cha" call, as in, "Hey. Look at me. I know lots of basketball rules".

Hey so cal lurker, you weren't a middle school knucklehead, were you?
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Old Thu Jun 10, 2021, 02:50pm
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Running clock. Illegal advantage. I'd do the same.

Note: I've been fortunate not to have to work more than handful of running clock games in my forty years. Hated every single one. I always felt rushed.

Rushing (or just not taking one's time) through dead ball, clock not running situations is a recipe for a disaster.
But the alternative is probably delaying the next game. Which may not even be basketball. It's a situation where authority over the space supersedes the rules of the game.
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Old Thu Jun 10, 2021, 03:43pm
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Hey so cal lurker, you weren't a middle school knucklehead, were you?
No, I was the quiet tall guy being double teamed off the ball all game.

(OK, I did get T'd up that game (deservedly) for my only outburst of the season--but that was much later in the game when the two guys doubling me were holding hands around me to prevent me from moving and I got called for a foul trying to go through their arms . . . it was just one of those days. . . .)
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But the alternative is probably delaying the next game.
Agree, but a third alternative would be shorter periods, which is already legal under NFHS 5-5-3, even without state association authorization (fully realizing that most running time games are probably not interscholastic games under NFHS rules).

Also agree that the site director (not the officials) runs the show in most non-interscholastic games.
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OK, I did get T'd up that game (deservedly) for my only outburst of the season--but that was much later in the game when the two guys doubling me were holding hands around me to prevent me from moving and I got called for a foul trying to go through their arms . . . it was just one of those days. . . .
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Old Thu Jun 10, 2021, 07:58pm
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As a basketball player, coach, and official for over fifty years, I've never called this violation, nor have I ever observed it being called.

Has anybody ever called this violation, or ever observed it being called?
It was just called in the Brooklyn at Milwaukee NBA playoff game with 7:29 left in the 2nd quarter.
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