Free Throw Violation

[rocky50]

High School Rules apply to this question.
Red team on the free throw line shooting 2 free throws.
On the 2nd free through after she releases the ball and before the ball hits the rim or backboard she crosses the free throw line. At the same exact time a blue player on the lane crosses the line. Is this a double violation and you go with the possession arrow?

[Camron Rust]

Yes, double violation. Go with the arrow.

[Jurassic Referee]

Simultaneous(at the exact same time) violations by opponents on the last scheduled FT give you an immediate dead ball, no point scored and an AP. NFHS rule 9-1PENALTY3.

[jritchie]

blue went over first while the ball was on the way to the rim, then just before it hit the rim red went over?? same thing right???? double violation??? some people try to say that the blue violated first so if the shot misses they give them another shot and the other violation was ignored..i think they are taking the order to far on that one

[ChuckElias]

If both violators are in marked lane spaces, then you only penalize the first one, even if they happen very close together.

If one or both of the violators are not along the lane lines (e.g., the FT shooter or players outside the 3-point arc), then you have a double violation and penalize both violations (go to the arrow), regardless of whether one is clearly before the other.

[jritchie]

i agree

[Adam]

Originally posted by jritchie
blue went over first while the ball was on the way to the rim, then just before it hit the rim red went over?? same thing right???? double violation??? some people try to say that the blue violated first so if the shot misses they give them another shot and the other violation was ignored..i think they are taking the order to far on that one

Don't have my book handy, but I believe the shooter is specifically excluded from this protection.

Adam

[eastcoastref]

I've always said this is a serious glitch in the rules.

Here's why:
Let's say team A is on the free-throw line to shoot the second of two free throws while trailing by two points with three seconds to go in the game. AP arrow is in Team A's favor.
In theory, if B1 violates, shooter A1 would be SMART to also violate, thus creating the double violation, which would give the ball back to Team A with three seconds to play and a chance to go for a tie or for a win with a three-pointer.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by eastcoastref
I've always said this is a serious glitch in the rules.

Here's why:
Let's say team A is on the free-throw line to shoot the second of two free throws while trailing by two points with three seconds to go in the game. AP arrow is in Team A's favor.
In theory, if B1 violates, shooter A1 would be SMART to also violate, thus creating the double violation, which would give the ball back to Team A with three seconds to play and a chance to go for a tie or for a win with a three-pointer.

It's not really a glitch. It's just another great reason for Team B to follow the rules. I know, I know, why reward Team A for violating? But really, if Team B doesn't violate in the first place, Team A doesn't get this opportunity.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by eastcoastref
Let's say team A is on the free-throw line to shoot the second of two free throws.
In theory, if B1 violates, shooter A1 would be SMART to also violate, thus creating the double violation, which would give the ball back to Team A

Team A has already violated by having five players inside the FT circle

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

Don't have my book handy, but I believe the shooter is specifically excluded from this protection.

Adam

I was just thinking the same thing. Since my book is locked away in storage, would somebody with the book confirm or refute this argument?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle

I was just thinking the same thing. Since my book is locked away in storage, would somebody with the book confirm or refute this argument?

If the first violation is a lane line violation by the free thrower's opponent and that violation is then followed by a lane line violation committed by one of the free thrower's teammates, the second violation IS ignored. If the second violation was made by the free thrower or a teammate of the free thrower behind the 3-point line, then you would penalize both violations.

NFHS rule 9-1PENALTY4(a)(b).