Free throw Violation

[SAK]

Rule 9-1-4 states If there is a violation fist by the free-thrower's opponent followed by the free thrower or a teammate:

b. If the second violation is by the free thrower or a teammate behind the three-point line, both violations are penalized, as in penalty item (3).

9-1-3 states: If there is a simultaneous violation by each tea, the ball becomes dead and no point can be scored. Remaining free throws are administered or play is resumed by the team entitled to the alternating-possession throw-in from the spot nearest to where the simultaneous violation occurred.

Question is, if team A1 is shooting and B2, in a marked lane space, violates followed by a violation from A1; how can you penalize both. If B2 was the only one to violate you have a delayed violation and A1 is awarded a replacement throw if the throw does not go in. If A1 is the only one to violate then the ball should become dead immediately. So how is it that no point is allowed to be scored. It seems that the penalty to more harsh for team A than it is for team B especially as team B may have the opportunity to get the ball on the ap throw-in?

I think I know the rule but just don't understand the rational behind it.

[bob jenkins]

I'm not quite sure I understand your concern.

If B violates, A gets another try.

If A violates, they lose the try and the ball.

If they both violate, use the arrow -- each team gets something (the ball or the next arrow).

What would you have them do?

[SAK]

B was the first to violate. (By the rule I know its not correct.) I would like to give A another try, assuming the missed the initial one, as he was not the first to violate.

[SAK]

I guess what I would like is the shooter to be treated like a player lined up in a marked lane space. Where only the first violation is penalized.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SAK

I guess what I would like is the shooter to be treated like a player lined up in a marked lane space. Where only the first violation is penalized.

Submit a rules change proposal to your state association.

[Zoochy]

Here is my understanding.
Before A1 releases the ball, B1 steps into the lane (disconcerts A1). If any Team A member in a lane marked space violates, then only penalize the 1st violation. If A1 happens to shoot an air ball, then again only penalize the 1st violation. State that B1's action caused A1 to be distracted, thus the airball.
Similar situation. A1 releases the ball, B1 steps into the lane (No disconcertion of A1). If any Team A member in a lane marked space violates, then only penalize the 1st violation. If A1 happens to shoot an air ball, then penalize both violations. The ball would go to the team with the next AP throw in.
Another situation. B1 violates by steping into the lane. Any Team A member NOT in a marked lane space violates, then penalize both vio;ations. The ball would go to the team with the next AP throw in.

[Back In The Saddle]

You are right. The penalties are not even, even though they are very similar violations. But what would be even? The penalties for A and B violating are largely mutually exclusive, one at the expense of the other. If you ignore the second violation, that's unfair to B. Heck, if that were the case, then if B stepped in early the shooter could simply run forward and dunk the ball. If you only enforce the second penalty, then B gets away with violating. I cannot see a "fair" way to penalize both violations. What we have currently I think is the best of an impossible situation. If B violates they will be penalized, which actually provides A an incentive not to violate. If they do, well, tough cookies.

:shrug:

Edited to add ---
Perhaps we solve the problem by having a jump ball at the free throw line. That way A loses their free throw, and B is rewarded. But the jump ball nearer to A's basket gives them an advantage not entirely unlike receiving a replacement throw for B's violation. Oh, and one more detail...

BillyMac has to toss the ball for the jump.

[SAK]

I like that idea. Lets bring more jump balls to HS basketball.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

BillyMac has to toss the ball for the jump.

I've tossed in the free throw circle many times, too many times to count. Thank God for that new fangled alternating possession rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Perhaps we solve the problem by having a jump ball at the free throw line. BillyMac has to toss the ball for the jump.

Originally Posted by SAK

Lets bring more jump balls to HS basketball.

Why are you guys picking on me. I'm sure that I'll have nightmares about this tonight. I won't be eating beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato, or gravy, tonight, for dinner. I can't take any chances. I've got to get up for work tomorrow morning.

[SAK]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why are you guys picking on me. I'm sure that I'll have nightmares about this tonight. I won't be eating beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato, or gravy, tonight, for dinner. I can't take any chances. I've got to get up for work tomorrow morning.

I just have one thing to say BillyMac......He started it.