Rule Change Proposals

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do you know what changes are on the agenda at the NFHS Rule Committee ?

Here is the list (paraphrased/abbreviated....too long to paste in here):

1. Stop the clock under a minute.
2. Shot clock (a) nationally or (b) by state adoption
3. Uniform color...dark must be dark
4 & 5. religious head covering regulations without needing state approval
6. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter
7. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter (similar to #6 but different wording by different propoent)
8. Bonus at 6th foul in a quarter, automatic bonus at 8th foul in a quarter
9. New definition of a simultaneous multiple foul...two fouls by same team against different opposing players
10. No jump ball in OT...continue AP.
11. Remove coaches ability to be granted a timeout during a live ball...must be by a player.
12. On a double foul where one foul is of a greater severity than the other, possession to team offended by greater foul.
13. Eliminate player control signal...use only team control signal

[BillyMac]

Thanks Camron Rust.

1. Stop the clock under a minute.
No. More chances for clock mistakes in important situations. Many games below the varsity level (especially middle schools) are timed by inexperienced adults, or students.

2. Shot clock (a) nationally or (b) by state adoption
I assume that either is an option, not mandatory. Many games below the varsity level are timed by inexperienced adults, or students. Connecticut already uses a shot clock for varsity prep school games and we always have problems.

3. Uniform color...dark must be dark
Odd change. Rules already state white for the home team and a contrasting dark color for the visiting team.

4 & 5. religious head covering regulations without needing state approval
Yes. Here in Connecticut we currently allow this and then subsequently suggest that the team get state approval after the game. No officials in Connecticut currently will not allow a player to participate because of religion unless there is a real safety issue.

6. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter
No. Doubles the chances for certain types of correctable errors. Many games below the varsity level (especially middle schools) are scored by inexperienced adults, or students; and many middle school scoreboards don't show team fouls.

7. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter (similar to #6 but different wording by different proponent)
No. Doubles the chances for certain types of correctable errors. Many games below the varsity level (especially middle schools) are scored by inexperienced adults, or students; and many middle school scoreboards don't show team fouls.

8. Bonus at 6th foul in a quarter, automatic bonus at 8th foul in a quarter
No. Doubles the chances for certain types of correctable errors. Many games below the varsity level (especially middle schools) are scored by inexperienced adults, or students; and many middle school scoreboards don't show team fouls.

9. New definition of a simultaneous multiple foul...two fouls by same team against different opposing players
Probably needed, or they wouldn't consider it.

10. No jump ball in OT...continue AP.
Yes. The beginning of the end of the jump ball. Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. How do you like them apples?

11. Remove coaches ability to be granted a timeout during a live ball...must be by a player.
Yes. Saves a lot of problems where players are scrambling on the floor to get control of a ball, usually right before a probable held ball, where officials should be concentrating on the physicality of the players involved, not having to identify the voice of the head coach. One less thing officials have to worry about in these, and similar tense situations.

12. On a double foul where one foul is of a greater severity than the other, possession to team offended by greater foul.
No. Not needed. But I would be open to a discussion of "fairness".

13. Eliminate player control signal...use only team control signal
Yes. Here in my little corner of Connecticut we currently have more player control foul signals than Carter has Little Liver Pills.

And those are my opinions ...

[JRutledge]

Meh!!!

I see nothing that I feel need to be added or I feel so adamant about that it must be struck down. I think I would be OK with all of them changing or all of them not being added.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

My vote on these items:

1. Stop the clock under a minute.
Yes...eliminates clock gamesmanship in the last critical seconds of a game.

2. Shot clock (a) nationally or (b) by state adoption
OK. I suggested (a), which was a mandatory change, only if the timeline were several years. (b) state adoption is good as each state can control the adoption.

3. Uniform color...dark must be dark
No. I didn't give you the full wording, but I see it as unnecessary.


4 & 5. religious head covering regulations without needing state approval
No. Is already allowed through state approval. As is, it prevents a player from suddenly becoming religious and wearing a spaghetti colander on his or her head.


6. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter
No. Unneeded. 1+1 has been around for decades and it works

7. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter (similar to #6 but different wording by different proponent)
No. Unneeded. 1+1 has been around for decades and it works

8. Bonus at 6th foul in a quarter, automatic bonus at 8th foul in a quarter
Big No....do they want to clean up rough play or not...this more or less would make it open season to foul.

9. New definition of a simultaneous multiple foul...two fouls by same team against different opposing players
Yes.

10. No jump ball in OT...continue AP.
No...the jump ball starts the OT more equitably, particularly if you have a team that is inclined to stall.

11. Remove coaches ability to be granted a timeout during a live ball...must be by a player.
YES!!

12. On a double foul where one foul is of a greater severity than the other, possession to team offended by greater foul.
OK.

13. Eliminate player control signal...use only team control signal
YES
[/QUOTE]

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As is, it prevents a player from suddenly becoming religious and wearing a spaghetti colander on his or her head.

I'll give you my spaghetti colander when you pry it from my cold, dead head.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... the jump ball starts the OT more equitably, particularly if you have a team that is inclined to stall ...

... or have one team that is inclined to use their seven foot one inch tall player, as we do here in Connecticut.

When this kid showed up at his door three years ago, I'm sure that the coach got in contact with every really old retired coach he could find to learn all the old jump ball trick plays that were used before the alternating possession arrow was invented.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

My vote on these items:

1. Stop the clock under a minute.
Yes...eliminates clock gamesmanship in the last critical seconds of a game.

2. Shot clock (a) nationally or (b) by state adoption
OK. I suggested (a), which was a mandatory change, only if the timeline were several years. (b) state adoption is good as each state can control the adoption.

3. Uniform color...dark must be dark
No. I didn't give you the full wording, but I see it as unnecessary.


4 & 5. religious head covering regulations without needing state approval
No. Is already allowed through state approval. As is, it prevents a player from suddenly becoming religious and wearing a spaghetti colander on his or her head.


6. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter
No. Unneeded. 1+1 has been around for decades and it works

7. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter (similar to #6 but different wording by different proponent)
No. Unneeded. 1+1 has been around for decades and it works

8. Bonus at 6th foul in a quarter, automatic bonus at 8th foul in a quarter
Big No....do they want to clean up rough play or not...this more or less would make it open season to foul.

9. New definition of a simultaneous multiple foul...two fouls by same team against different opposing players
Yes.

10. No jump ball in OT...continue AP.
No...the jump ball starts the OT more equitably, particularly if you have a team that is inclined to stall.

11. Remove coaches ability to be granted a timeout during a live ball...must be by a player.
YES!!

12. On a double foul where one foul is of a greater severity than the other, possession to team offended by greater foul.
OK.

13. Eliminate player control signal...use only team control signal
YES

Agree with all of Camron’s positions, except note that:

6-7, I’m indifferent. If adopted, states like MN and WI that play in halves would have some decisions to make.

9, Yes, but the term could be easily confused with other foul types, so I suggest a distinct term, such as “plural foul.” Also, would need to determine the penalty assessment for such a situation.

12. While we’re at at, let’s give FTs to the more offended team, just as is in the NCAA rule.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Here is the list (paraphrased/abbreviated....too long to paste in here):

1. Stop the clock under a minute.
2. Shot clock (a) nationally or (b) by state adoption
3. Uniform color...dark must be dark
4 & 5. religious head covering regulations without needing state approval
6. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter
7. 2 shots starting at 5th foul in each quarter (similar to #6 but different wording by different propoent)
8. Bonus at 6th foul in a quarter, automatic bonus at 8th foul in a quarter
9. New definition of a simultaneous multiple foul...two fouls by same team against different opposing players
10. No jump ball in OT...continue AP.
11. Remove coaches ability to be granted a timeout during a live ball...must be by a player.
12. On a double foul where one foul is of a greater severity than the other, possession to team offended by greater foul.
13. Eliminate player control signal...use only team control signal

1. Yes. It eliminates the potential for clock-related tomfoolery (e.g. the winning team "helping" the old Lead official by passing the ball to him after a score) near the end of the game, especially a close game. I had to give a technical foul to a player late in a tournament game because he was in the way of an opponent trying to get to the ball for a throw-in, and wouldn't listen when I told him to knock it off. This would not happen under the proposed rule.
2. I would agree with a) if there is a phase-in period (GA is currently phasing the shot clock in, and will allow it to be used in regular season play starting this upcoming season (2021-22). It will be mandatory next season (2022-23) for regular and postseason varsity games). I would agree with b), because each state should be able to figure out an equitable way to adopt the shot clock.
3. No.
4 and 5, sure as long as there is no safety issue.
6. If the one-and-one is eliminated, absolutely.
7. Same as above.
8. No
9. Yes
10. No
11-13 Yes