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Old Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:22am
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I said we do not need more changes. Another change will just be more confusing. At least now the undershirt can "try" to match the jersey. In CR's proposal, he is changing the current requirement to mirror other rules, but will likely still have different items used ...
I apologize for not fully understanding your earlier posts.

Are you saying that there are no changes needed only in the equipment rule regarding undershirts? And that any change in the current undershirt rule would be confusing?

If that's the case, I agree 99.9% (with the distaste that I have for enforcing all the fashion rules, there's got to be something (0.1%) that I don't like about the current undershirt rule, but I can't think of it right now).

Freddy is the Forum "fashion expert". Hey Freddy, what say you about the current undershirt rule. Any suggested changes needed to make it better, simpler, and easier to enforce (keeping in mind the need to make it easy (not just possible, but easy) to identify players on each team during fast paced action, especially crowded rebounding action)?

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Old Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:19am
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I apologize for not fully understanding your earlier posts.

Are you saying that there are no changes needed only in the equipment rule regarding undershirts? And that any change in the current undershirt rule would be confusing?

If that's the case, I agree 99.9% (with the distaste that I have for enforcing all the fashion rules, there's got to be something (0.1%) that I don't like about the current undershirt rule, but I can't think of it right now).

Freddy is the Forum "fashion expert". Hey Freddy, what say you about the current undershirt rule. Any suggested changes needed to make it better, simpler, and easier to enforce (keeping in mind the need to make it easy (not just possible, but easy) to identify players on each team during fast paced action, especially crowded rebounding action)?
Does any of this affect how teams play? Are we really struggling to know who is on the court and what team they play for? So why do we need more rules or distinctions about what headband someone wears and does it fit the standard or not the standard of another item like an undershirt? Because if you read CR's proposal, it seems like he wants to make the color restriction the exact same as the other items, but not have to match those other items. All I am saying is why do we need that distinction too? I do not see the need. I will do whatever is requested but seems like another unnecessary layer like requiring logos restrictions on socks like they did in the mid-90s for like one year. It was dumb then and it is dumb now to be worried about what color and arm sleeve are when we know that kids are different colors and shapes themselves.

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Old Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:52am
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Are we really struggling to know who is on the court and what team they play for?
Good question. And this is the purpose (other than safety, and a few other things) of most of the equipment rules, to easily identify players on each team

The NFHS needs to find a "happy medium".

On one side of the spectrum one could find overly strict complex rules that are difficult for players, coaches, and some officials, to understand, and for some officials to enforce, but make it extremely easy to identify teams, probably beyond what officials need to easily and effectively officiate the game of basketball. Or even simple rules that are extremely strict, like all forms of equipment having the same color as the jersey. Is an extremely strict rule like this necessary for officials to easily and effectively officiate the game of basketball?

On the other side of the spectrum one could find extremely relaxed rules that are quite easy for players, coaches, and officials, to understand, and for all officials to enforce, but make it possibly somewhat difficult to identify teams during fast paced action, especially crowded rebounding situations, making officials possibly somewhat less effective, and making it possibly somewhat more difficult, to officiate the game of basketball.

Has the NFHS found the middle of the spectrum balance point? Easy to understand? Easy to enforce? Easy to identify players on each team? In my opinion, no, no, no, yes.

The NFHS should keep the current uniform (jerseys, colors, numbers) rules in place, and keep the current undershirt rules (white or jersey color) in place (as an extension of the jersey), and simplify, or eliminate, the other equipment rules regarding headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, knee pads, elbow pads, compression shorts, and tights.

My opinion: Headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, elbow pads? Little change. Simplify. Three (down from four) color choices (black, white, jersey color), all the same for a player, all the same for the team. Or, if desired, eliminate such rules completely (if one doesn't mind being the ringmaster at the circus).

My opinion: Knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, knee pads, compression shorts, and tights? No rules. Ignore (like shoes and socks).

I don't believe that by ignoring everything from the waist down will make it significantly more difficult to easily identify players on each team.

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Old Thu Feb 18, 2021, 11:34am
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... simplify, or eliminate ...
The pendulum is on the way, be it slowly, back to center. Over the past several years the NFHS has, in my opinion, made some good common sense decisions regarding uniforms and equipment. Allowing tights. Compression shorts don't have to be the same color as the uniform shorts. Eliminated "school color" equipment language. Allowing "volleyball width" headbands for basketball. Allowing rolled waistbands. White instead of "light" color home jerseys. Jersey number can't be the same color as the jersey (2024-25).

Maybe the NFHS will allow the pendulum to keep swinging. Let's hope.

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Old Thu Feb 18, 2021, 12:49pm
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Over the past several years the NFHS has made some good common sense decisions regarding uniforms and equipment.
Not saying that I've agreed with all recent NFHS decisions regarding equipment: Headbands not allowed to have tails. Clarified ribbons illegal as a hair control device.

Both decisions, especially the first, make my job more difficult.
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