Fun With A Pivot Foot ...

[bob jenkins]

"gather" isn't completed until LF is on the floor (not that this part really matters) and RF is off the floor. Legal play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"gather" isn't completed until LF is on the floor (not that this part really matters) and RF is off the floor. Legal play.

Agree. Tough call. Too bad we don't have slow motion replay in our brains.

If we're not sure it's a travel, it's not a travel.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"gather" isn't completed until LF is on the floor (not that this part really matters) and RF is off the floor. Legal play.

I think the ball is at rest in the hand (dribble ended and ball being held) with the right foot still on the floor and before the left foot is.

If I would call a carry if the player put the ball back down, they have caught the ball and the pivot foot is established.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think the ball is at rest in the hand ...

Noticed that myself, gave some thought to a carry, and decided no.

There's a lot going on in this "speedy delivery" bang-bang play (watch the hands, watch the feet, watch the ball) which explains why officiating basketball is so difficult and why we get paid the big bucks.

Anybody have any problem with White #11 (the kid who scored) clapping his hands in the face of Gold #3 (whom he beat) after the made basket?

Maybe he wasn't taunting, maybe he was just psyched up, but I may have had a word with him.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Noticed that myself, gave some thought to a carry, and decided no.
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Why would you consider a carry on this play? There was no subsequent dribble.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Why would you consider a carry on this play? There was no subsequent dribble.

There doesn't have to be a subsequent dribble to signal one specific type of carrying/palming.

There is signal for carrying/palming, but it isn't an actual Rule 9 violation.

When we signal carrying/palming, the actual violation is really an illegal (double) dribble, or a travel.

Palming, or carrying, is when the ball momentarily comes to rest in the dribbler's hand, and the player either travels (moving a foot or feet in excess of prescribed limits while palming/carrying (holding) the ball) with the ball, or illegally dribbles (feet not moving) a second time.

The travel variety of carrying/palming is often seen when a dribbler cups the ball (ball comes to rest) momentarily in one hand as he quickly turns a corner, it becomes a palming, or carrying even before he makes his subsequent dribble as he travels.

Same as if he had just grabbed the ball with one or both hands and taken illegal steps as he turns the corner.

Of course, you could also correctly signal a travel for this cup and turn a corner situation, just like you can correctly signal an illegal (double) dribble for the other variety (feet not moving) of a carrying/palming.

One could go through a entire officiating career and never signal a carry and be 100% correct.

Sure it may be a travel, or it may be an illegal (double) dribble, but sometimes the best signal is a carry because it's more easily understood (good communication, including good signals, means good game management) by coaches, players, and fans, thus the reason for the signal and it's description in the rulebook.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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Anybody have any problem with White #11 (the kid who scored) clapping his hands in the face of Gold #3 (whom he beat) after the made basket?

Maybe he wasn't taunting, maybe he was just psyched up, but I may have had a word with him.

He did not clap in his opponent's face. He bent over prior to clapping so that the clap was at his opponent's midsection. He wasn't even making eye contact with his opponent.

As far as the travel or no-travel, I have the player still trying to gain full control of the ball after ending his dribble. I see a bobble while his right foot is down, then full control when it's left foot is down.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

He did not clap in his opponent's face. He bent over prior to clapping so that the clap was at his opponent's midsection.

Looked at it again. Agree. No technical foul needed. Not even a stern warning, won't even stop the game, but I may mention to the young man, "Please don't do that again" at the next break in the action.