Pivot foot

[ILMalti]

Taken from an other thread

Player A1 jumps in the air and catches the ball in the air and lands on one foot (the other has not touched the floor), has a pivot foot been established?

[just another ref]

No. If the second foot touches, the first to touch is the pivot. The other possibility is that the player jumps off the first foot to touch and lands simultaneously on both feet. In this case neither foot can be a pivot.

4-44-2

[ILMalti]

so can the player hop?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

so can the player hop?

Yes, but not legally.

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

yes, but not legally.

lol

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

so can the player hop?

What Bob said, because a pivot foot is not required for a traveling rule; even if dragging the pivot foot is sufficient.

Also, if memory serves on the pivot foot rule, if that player lands on one foot and stops moving, that foot is now the pivot. The "jump stop" rule applies to a moving player. Gonna have to check the book on it though.

Later.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

Can the player hop?

Put your right foot forward
Put your left foot out
Do the Bunny Hop
Hop, hop, hop!

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Put your right foot forward
Put your left foot out
Do the Bunny Hop
Hop, hop, hop!

I needed a laugh ... thanks

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Also, if memory serves on the pivot foot rule, if that player lands on one foot and stops moving, that foot is now the pivot. The "jump stop" rule applies to a moving player. Gonna have to check the book on it though.

Nope. The player may undertake this action at as slow of a pace as desired. The speed has absolutely no impact upon the legality of the movement for the traveling rule.

You are thinking of the "normal landing" that a player is allowed to make in the third article of the provisions for backcourt violations. In that scenario, it does matter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope. The player may undertake this action at as slow of a pace as desired. The speed has absolutely no impact upon the legality of the movement for the traveling rule.

You are thinking of the "normal landing" that a player is allowed to make in the third article of the provisions for backcourt violations. In that scenario, it does matter.

No, I wasn't thinking of the normal landing.

I was thinking the traveling rule said "while moving" or something to that effect with regard to the "jump stop" portion. Now I'm gonna have to double check when I get home tonight.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, I wasn't thinking of the normal landing.

I was thinking the traveling rule said "while moving" or something to that effect with regard to the "jump stop" portion. Now I'm gonna have to double check when I get home tonight.

It is pretty hard to land on one foot if you're not moving.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is pretty hard to land on one foot if you're not moving.

Right, but my reading of it led me to believe a player must keep "moving" thoughout the process. Speed is irrelevant, but continuity of motion is not (by my reading). So, if a player were to stop on one foot and hold still for a moment, then proceed to jump and land, it would be traveling.

Again, I need to do two things.
1. Re-read the rule.
2. Defer to more experienced officials' judgment.
3. Realize that this play will just never happen.
4. Learn to count.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Right, but my reading of it led me to believe a player must keep "moving" thoughout the process. Speed is irrelevant, but continuity of motion is not (by my reading). So, if a player were to stop on one foot and hold still for a moment, then proceed to jump and land, it would be traveling.

Again, I need to do two things.
1. Re-read the rule.
2. Defer to more experienced officials' judgment.
3. Realize that this play will just never happen.
4. Learn to count.

5. Cease making up your own rules.
6. Don't use the one's that exist only in Padgett's head either.
7. Take your meds!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

5. Cease making up your own rules.
6. Don't use the one's that exist only in Padgett's head either.
7. Take your meds!

Wow, I was expecting to have the chance to read up on this tonight, but circumstances changed when I walked in the house. Bottom line, still haven't read the rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, I was expecting to have the chance to read up on this tonight, but circumstances changed when I walked in the house. Bottom line, still haven't read the rule.

Here is the relevant part of the rule...

Rule 44....ART 2. A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:

a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands

3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both.

b. If one foot is on the floor:

2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both.

Note that the "while moving" part is attached to the act of catching.