Flop

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Shooter

Where in the rulebook does it say anything about a flop situation.

Is it located under contact?

What is the signal?

What is the foul?

You will not find the word “flop” in the rule book. It is fan-speak and announcer-speak (though most officials would admit to informally using the term often as a descriptor).

There is no signal, mainly because 99.99% of the time there is no call to signal. Likewise, there is no special information signal for “I have a flop on that no-call.”

The foul, if there were to be one, would be a player technical for faking being fouled. I’ve never seen this called at either the HS or NCAA level. I think the NBA tried to crack down on flopping a few years back and maybe issued a few Ts (they certainly issued some fines), but I’m not sure this is as much under the microscope lately.

Mostly, I chuckle mockingly at floppers, make no call, and we play on.


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[bob jenkins]

I *think* NCAAM now has it as one of the (now) 5 "delay warnings."

Many in FED, NCAAW, and previously in NCAAM use the informal "get up" signal to show that they saw the play, but judged not foul.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

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The foul, if there were to be one, would be a player technical for faking being fouled. I’ve never seen this called at either the HS or NCAA level.


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You are not watching enough NCAAM basketball this season. Although it isn't a player technical, but rather a class B technical, and without going through the whole rule doesn't necessarily cause a technical foul on the first occurrence.

[Freddy]

NFHS Player Technical 10-4-6f, "Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to , acts or conduct such as . . . faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled."

A good article on the topic appeared in Referee magazine several months ago which was repeated in the Referee Preseason Prep publication.

[Freddy]

Article on the Topic: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HlO...w?usp=drivesdk

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by johnny d

You are not watching enough NCAAM basketball this season. Although it isn't a player technical, but rather a class B technical, and without going through the whole rule doesn't necessarily cause a technical foul on the first occurrence.

Interestingly, Cincinnati had this called against them in second half of a loss to Iowa on 12/21. Had most watchers puzzled because the official allowed a driving bucket and afterward called the flop (on UC's All-American, I believe), which had occurred out around the 3-point line. No warnings, first occurrence (as far as everyone knew).

[johnny d]

The first time it happens it is a warning, unless the team has already received a warning for one of the team delays. In that case, it might be the first flop, but it would be the second delay warning in that category and therefore a class b tech.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

The first time it happens it is a warning, unless the team has already received a warning for one of the team delays. In that case, it might be the first flop, but it would be the second delay warning in that category and therefore a class b tech.

The related warning is for a player delay, not a team delay.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Interestingly, Cincinnati had this called against them in second half of a loss to Iowa on 12/21. Had most watchers puzzled because the official allowed a driving bucket and afterward called the flop (on UC's All-American, I believe), which had occurred out around the 3-point line. No warnings, first occurrence (as far as everyone knew).

There had to have been some type of previous player delay warning against Cincinnati, which may or may not have been a previous flop.

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[hoopologist]

I know this is a relatively old thread - and perhaps not seen nor visited ...

I'm curious if officials working HS games have feelings one way or another about "flop" and an RA at the HS level and if so, what are they and why?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by hoopologist

I know this is a relatively old thread - and perhaps not seen nor visited ...

I'm curious if officials working HS games have feelings one way or another about "flop" and an RA at the HS level and if so, what are they and why?

Flop rules...bring them on, I think that would be a good tool.

RA...I hope not. We have enough trouble getting people to understand the rules relating to block/charge (i.e., LGP and verticality) as it is. No need to double the complexity of the situation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Forty years. Never called a technical foul for faking a foul. Never observed a technical foul for faking a foul. Made a few comments (warnings). Heard a few comments (warnings). But that was the total extent of these situations. It's been several years since I even thought that a high school player was faking being fouled.

Like the idea of a NFHS official written warning. Better than an unofficial, "Cut that out".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

RA ... We have enough trouble getting people to understand the rules relating to block/charge (i.e., LGP and verticality) as it is. No need to double the complexity of the situation.

It would definitely not be case of, "Double Your Pleasure, Double You Fun", especially with two person crews.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Flop rules...bring them on, I think that would be a good tool.

RA...I hope not. We have enough trouble getting people to understand the rules relating to block/charge (i.e., LGP and verticality) as it is. No need to double the complexity of the situation.

Similar to the "book warning" to a head coach / team personnel for misconduct, now would be a good time for the NFHS to adopt a "book warning" for embellishment (I'm not a fan of the word "flop.")

RA? No way! A ball handler should be liable for a player-control foul anywhere on the 4,200 (or 4,700) square feet of playing surface. That, and what Camron said about the complexity.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

You will not find the word “flop” in the rule book. It is fan-speak and announcer-speak (though most officials would admit to informally using the term often as a descriptor).

There is no signal, mainly because 99.99% of the time there is no call to signal. Likewise, there is no special information signal for “I have a flop on that no-call.”

The foul, if there were to be one, would be a player technical for faking being fouled. I’ve never seen this called at either the HS or NCAA level. ...
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That would not be an accurate statement.

NCAA-M 4-10-1.c

4. Faking being fouled (flopping) on block/charge plays or attempted tries for goal or using any other tactics such as a "head bob" which might lead an official to believe that a foul has been committed.

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