Flop

[Shooter]

Where in the rulebook does it say anything about a flop situation.
Is it located under contact?
What is the signal?
What is the foul?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Shooter

Where in the rulebook does it say anything about a flop situation.

Is it located under contact?

What is the signal?

What is the foul?

You will not find the word “flop” in the rule book. It is fan-speak and announcer-speak (though most officials would admit to informally using the term often as a descriptor).

There is no signal, mainly because 99.99% of the time there is no call to signal. Likewise, there is no special information signal for “I have a flop on that no-call.”

The foul, if there were to be one, would be a player technical for faking being fouled. I’ve never seen this called at either the HS or NCAA level. I think the NBA tried to crack down on flopping a few years back and maybe issued a few Ts (they certainly issued some fines), but I’m not sure this is as much under the microscope lately.

Mostly, I chuckle mockingly at floppers, make no call, and we play on.


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[bob jenkins]

I *think* NCAAM now has it as one of the (now) 5 "delay warnings."

Many in FED, NCAAW, and previously in NCAAM use the informal "get up" signal to show that they saw the play, but judged not foul.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

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The foul, if there were to be one, would be a player technical for faking being fouled. I’ve never seen this called at either the HS or NCAA level.


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You are not watching enough NCAAM basketball this season. Although it isn't a player technical, but rather a class B technical, and without going through the whole rule doesn't necessarily cause a technical foul on the first occurrence.

[Freddy]

NFHS Player Technical 10-4-6f, "Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to , acts or conduct such as . . . faking being fouled, knowingly attempting a free throw or accepting a foul to which the player was not entitled."

A good article on the topic appeared in Referee magazine several months ago which was repeated in the Referee Preseason Prep publication.

[Freddy]

Article on the Topic: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HlO...w?usp=drivesdk

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by johnny d

You are not watching enough NCAAM basketball this season. Although it isn't a player technical, but rather a class B technical, and without going through the whole rule doesn't necessarily cause a technical foul on the first occurrence.

Interestingly, Cincinnati had this called against them in second half of a loss to Iowa on 12/21. Had most watchers puzzled because the official allowed a driving bucket and afterward called the flop (on UC's All-American, I believe), which had occurred out around the 3-point line. No warnings, first occurrence (as far as everyone knew).

[johnny d]

The first time it happens it is a warning, unless the team has already received a warning for one of the team delays. In that case, it might be the first flop, but it would be the second delay warning in that category and therefore a class b tech.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

The first time it happens it is a warning, unless the team has already received a warning for one of the team delays. In that case, it might be the first flop, but it would be the second delay warning in that category and therefore a class b tech.

The related warning is for a player delay, not a team delay.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Interestingly, Cincinnati had this called against them in second half of a loss to Iowa on 12/21. Had most watchers puzzled because the official allowed a driving bucket and afterward called the flop (on UC's All-American, I believe), which had occurred out around the 3-point line. No warnings, first occurrence (as far as everyone knew).

There had to have been some type of previous player delay warning against Cincinnati, which may or may not have been a previous flop.

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[hoopologist]

I know this is a relatively old thread - and perhaps not seen nor visited ...

I'm curious if officials working HS games have feelings one way or another about "flop" and an RA at the HS level and if so, what are they and why?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

You will not find the word “flop” in the rule book. It is fan-speak and announcer-speak (though most officials would admit to informally using the term often as a descriptor).

There is no signal, mainly because 99.99% of the time there is no call to signal. Likewise, there is no special information signal for “I have a flop on that no-call.”

The foul, if there were to be one, would be a player technical for faking being fouled. I’ve never seen this called at either the HS or NCAA level. ...
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That would not be an accurate statement.

NCAA-M 4-10-1.c

4. Faking being fouled (flopping) on block/charge plays or attempted tries for goal or using any other tactics such as a "head bob" which might lead an official to believe that a foul has been committed.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That would not be an accurate statement.

NCAA-M 4-10-1.c

4. Faking being fouled (flopping) on block/charge plays or attempted tries for goal or using any other tactics such as a "head bob" which might lead an official to believe that a foul has been committed.

Good reference. I presumed NFHS rules in my response but have not read the NCAA book in a few years.

I wonder if the NFHS committee will ever follow suit.



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[ilyazhito]

I hope they do, and that the NBA also follows suit. The flopping is getting ridiculous. I had to warn players last year to tell them to stop, and I hope that a flop warning gets officially adopted.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I hope they do, and that the NBA also follows suit. The flopping is getting ridiculous. I had to warn players last year to tell them to stop, and I hope that a flop warning gets officially adopted.

If you want them to stop faking being fouled, enforcing rule 10-4-6f would work. In fact, it worked all three times it was called in the United States last season. Why wouldn't you want to just do that rather than add something new? Jus' curious.