Flop

[ilyazhito]

I hope they do, and that the NBA also follows suit. The flopping is getting ridiculous. I had to warn players last year to tell them to stop, and I hope that a flop warning gets officially adopted.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I hope they do, and that the NBA also follows suit. The flopping is getting ridiculous. I had to warn players last year to tell them to stop, and I hope that a flop warning gets officially adopted.

If you want them to stop faking being fouled, enforcing rule 10-4-6f would work. In fact, it worked all three times it was called in the United States last season. Why wouldn't you want to just do that rather than add something new? Jus' curious.

[ilyazhito]

When I suggested to enforce the rule as written, partners have questioned me about whether it is advisable to do so. I don't care. If I see it again, T.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

...I hope that a flop warning gets officially adopted.

It was speculated earlier that the NCAA includes this as a DOG warning. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I would LOVE to see this added as a DOG warning in NFHS. I think that’s a great idea. Right now there’s nothing between “nothing” and “T,” which is why officials are reluctant to go straight to the T.

Remember when swinging elbows short of contact was a T that nobody ever called? They changed it to a violation and than at least it got called once in a while. Good change. Let’s do something similar with “faking being fouled.” It delays the game because you have to address it, so you get one warning and then after that the penalty is unpalatable enough that the players will likely knock it off.



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[BillyMac]

The problem with high school players is that they not as savvy, aren't as good actors, and are more timid, compared to college players.

When a high school player sets up to "take a charge" it's very difficult for an official to differentiate between a great acting performance and a kid who's afraid to take the full brunt of the charge and begins to fall backwards, not to fake a foul, but thinking that falling backward will somehow lessen the pain.

Same thing with high school shooters. High school shooters are concentrating on trying to draw contact and/or trying to make the shot. They're not savvy enough to concentrate on a third thing, faking being fouled, the best that they can usually come up with is to complain if officials don't call the foul.

Forty years. Never called a technical foul for faking a foul. Never observed a technical foul for faking a foul. Made a few comments (warnings). Heard a few comments (warnings). But that was the total extent of these situations. It's been several years since I even thought that a high school player was faking being fouled.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It was speculated earlier that the NCAA includes this as a DOG warning. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I would LOVE to see this added as a DOG warning in NFHS. I think that’s a great idea. Right now there’s nothing between “nothing” and “T,” which is why officials are reluctant to go straight to the T.

Remember when swinging elbows short of contact was a T that nobody ever called? They changed it to a violation and than at least it got called once in a while. Good change. Let’s do something similar with “faking being fouled.” It delays the game because you have to address it, so you get one warning and then after that the penalty is unpalatable enough that the players will likely knock it off.



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Faking being fouled IS a delay of game warning in NCAA men's rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Remember when swinging elbows short of contact was a T that nobody ever called? They changed it to a violation and than at least it got called once in a while. Good change.

Good example. I wish the NFHS would do the same with purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds. Make it a violation, like intentionally leaving the court for an unauthorized reason, and it would be called more often.

I've made this suggestion for a rule change (up the ladder through proper channels) to the NFHS and was ignored. Can you imagine somebody ignoring BillyMac? Can you imagine?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It was speculated earlier that the NCAA includes this as a DOG warning. I don’t know if that’s true or not,

You can d/l the rule book for free at

https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4...retations.aspx

From that d/l (emphasis added):

Section 10. Delay
Art. 1. A delay is any action that impedes the progress or continuity of the game.
Such actions include, but are not limited to:
a. Administrative Delays.
1. Failure to supply scorers with data per Rule 3-4.1 (See Rule 10-2.2);
2. Consuming a full minute by not being ready when it is time to start
either half or any extra period. (See Rule 10-2.5);
3. Team followers entering the playing court before activity has been
terminated, which prevents the ball from promptly being made live or
prevents continuous play. (See Rule 10-2.8.d and A.R. 283).
b. Coach Delays.
1. Bench personnel entering the playing court before player activity has
been terminated, which prevents the ball from promptly being made live
or prevents continuous action. (See Rule 10-4.2.h);
2. Failure to have the court ready for play after the final horn to end any
timeout. (See Rule 10-4.2.g and A.R. 283);
3. Delaying the game by failing to resume play immediately following
the second warning horn indicating the end of a timeout or when
a disqualified/ejected or injured player must be replaced. (See Rule
10-4.2.g).
c. Player Delays.
1. Repeatedly delaying the game by preventing the ball from being
promptly put into play, such as delaying the administration of a throwin
or free throw by engaging in a team huddle anywhere on the playing
court. (See Rule 10-4.1.h)
2. Attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal
or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a
whistle is blown. (See Rule 10-4.1.l)
3. Failing to provide sufficient space along the out of bounds line for a
throw-in after being warned by an official, per Rule 7-6.8.e.
4. Faking being fouled (flopping) on block/charge plays or attempted tries
for goal or using any other tactics such as a "head bob" which might lead
an official to believe that a foul has been committed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It was speculated earlier that the NCAA includes this as a DOG warning. ...

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That is not speculation, that is the rule. Rule 4-10-1c relates to player delays and warnings.