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Old Sat Oct 05, 2019, 05:19pm
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3 Person Mechanics Changes 2019

A few members in my association believe there were a mechanics change for 3 person high school under the following situations:

1) Lead Opposite table calls foul on offense and no free throws...No Switch?

2) Lead Table side calls foul on offense and no free throws..No Switch?

Are there any other mechanics changes for this season?

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Old Sat Oct 05, 2019, 07:52pm
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We hardly ever long switch here.

EDIT: Now that I'm in Georgia which uses NCAA-W mechanics, we never long switch.

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Old Sat Oct 05, 2019, 10:19pm
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A few members in my association believe there were a mechanics change for 3 person high school under the following situations:

1) Lead Opposite table calls foul on offense and no free throws...No Switch?

2) Lead Table side calls foul on offense and no free throws..No Switch?

Are there any other mechanics changes for this season?

Thanks!
What state are you? Per standard NFHS mechanics, Lead opposite goes to C tableside and L tableside goes to L tableside at the other end of the court in the situations you describe. Per standard IAABO mechanics, Lead Opposite goes to Lead opposite on the other end of the court, and lead tableside goes to Center opposite.

The main mechanics change this season is that the stop-clock signal is required prior to signalling held balls. The IAABO manual also allows bouncing the ball up the line as Lead on throw-ins below the free throw line extended, and redefines pass-crash coverage to have C take the crash on pass-crash scenarios where the ball is passed to the strong side (the side with Lead and Trail), as well as explicitly defining coverage on plays with secondary defenders.

Note: Arizona, Ohio, and Louisiana switch opposite the table without using IAABO mechanics. Louisiana does not use long switches, at least not per the 3-person mechanics presentation available on the LHSAA website.
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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 07:28am
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A few members in my association believe there were a mechanics change for 3 person high school under the following situations:
1) Lead Opposite table calls foul on offense and no free throws...No Switch?
2) Lead Table side calls foul on offense and no free throws..No Switch?
Are there any other mechanics changes for this season?

Thanks!
My new 2019-21 NFHS Officials Manual, having just arrived yesterday from another state I work in, is here in front of me. Just did a surf and survey through it to compare it with the previous edition. The two changes cited above are not found in the text. It's probably true that the "long report and return" mechanic is unofficially followed in many places beholden to NFHS mechanics. But it's not in the NFHS manual. The only real changes are a few wording revisions and a correction of the previously switched around signals #38 and 39. Some speculation existed that they'd have officials "go opposite table" after reporting, but it appears that the NFHS is still the only major mechanics set to "go tableside". I think.
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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 07:38am
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The long report is official practice in Texas and Michigan. However, the long report is not approved in other places. Therefore, the officials saying that the long report is now approved are in error.
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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 08:48am
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Some speculation existed that they'd have officials "go opposite table" after reporting, but it appears that the NFHS is still the only major mechanics set to "go tableside". I think.
NCAAW goes tableside.
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What state are you? Per standard NFHS mechanics, Lead opposite goes to C tableside and L tableside goes to L tableside at the other end of the court in the situations you describe. Per standard IAABO mechanics, Lead Opposite goes to Lead opposite on the other end of the court, and lead tableside goes to Center opposite.

The main mechanics change this season is that the stop-clock signal is required prior to signalling held balls. The IAABO manual also allows bouncing the ball up the line as Lead on throw-ins below the free throw line extended, and redefines pass-crash coverage to have C take the crash on pass-crash scenarios where the ball is passed to the strong side (the side with Lead and Trail), as well as explicitly defining coverage on plays with secondary defenders.

Note: Arizona, Ohio, and Louisiana switch opposite the table without using IAABO mechanics. Louisiana does not use long switches, at least not per the 3-person mechanics presentation available on the LHSAA website.
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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 09:03am
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NCAAW goes tableside.
The officials who raised this question work D2 womens. I wonder if what I described above is different in NCAA W than California HS
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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 09:50am
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The long report is official practice in Texas and Michigan. However, the long report is not approved in other places. Therefore, the officials saying that the long report is now approved are in error.
You have too much time on your hands.

Also, what is "approved" is all relative to what your state does. The NFHS Manual is not the Internal Revenue Code. In South Carolina they never mandated the long switch when it was put in place and left it up to crews to do it however they wanted.
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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 11:23am
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The officials who raised this question work D2 womens. I wonder if what I described above is different in NCAA W than California HS
Let me clarify:

On the OP -- no long switch in NCAAW.

On other fouls -- calling official goes tableside.

On the OP in IL -- if L calls foul, go tableside (either new L or new C, depending on the exact situation); if T or C call foul, no switch (although it might cause a rotation, depending on the exact throw-in spot).
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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 12:43pm
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NCAAW goes tableside.
Thanx for your response, Bob. Didn't know that. Now I think different.
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Walk and talk (reporting while on the move), signals to start the clock, not stopping the clock on certain violations (OOB, 5 seconds, 10 seconds), and no long switches from the Lead are all differences between NFHS and NCAAW mechanics. PCAs and last-second shot coverage are also different.

Some HS officials may walk and talk and do no long switches in 3-person games in CA, but those practices are not approved in CA. CA uses NFHS mechanics, other than specific signals and procedures for the shot clock.
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Old Mon Oct 07, 2019, 05:46am
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Walk and talk (reporting while on the move), signals to start the clock, not stopping the clock on certain violations (OOB, 5 seconds, 10 seconds), and no long switches from the Lead are all differences between NFHS and NCAAW mechanics. PCAs and last-second shot coverage are also different.

Some HS officials may walk and talk and do no long switches in 3-person games in CA, but those practices are not approved in CA. CA uses NFHS mechanics, other than specific signals and procedures for the shot clock.
High school officials all over the country walk and talk while reporting even though it's not authorized in their state.

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High school officials all over the country walk and talk while reporting even though it's not authorized in their state.
Officials do a lot of things they are not authorized to do or told is not in our mechanics. This is the reason there are training tapes with this information showing wrongdoing.

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Not surprisingly, most of the high school officials I deal with who get hung up on every detail of the Manual are not good play-callers or game managers.
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