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Old Sun Oct 06, 2019, 10:13pm
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Walk and talk (reporting while on the move), signals to start the clock, not stopping the clock on certain violations (OOB, 5 seconds, 10 seconds), and no long switches from the Lead are all differences between NFHS and NCAAW mechanics. PCAs and last-second shot coverage are also different.

Some HS officials may walk and talk and do no long switches in 3-person games in CA, but those practices are not approved in CA. CA uses NFHS mechanics, other than specific signals and procedures for the shot clock.
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Old Mon Oct 07, 2019, 05:46am
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Walk and talk (reporting while on the move), signals to start the clock, not stopping the clock on certain violations (OOB, 5 seconds, 10 seconds), and no long switches from the Lead are all differences between NFHS and NCAAW mechanics. PCAs and last-second shot coverage are also different.

Some HS officials may walk and talk and do no long switches in 3-person games in CA, but those practices are not approved in CA. CA uses NFHS mechanics, other than specific signals and procedures for the shot clock.
High school officials all over the country walk and talk while reporting even though it's not authorized in their state.

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High school officials all over the country walk and talk while reporting even though it's not authorized in their state.
Officials do a lot of things they are not authorized to do or told is not in our mechanics. This is the reason there are training tapes with this information showing wrongdoing.

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Not surprisingly, most of the high school officials I deal with who get hung up on every detail of the Manual are not good play-callers or game managers.
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Not surprisingly, most of the high school officials I deal with who get hung up on every detail of the Manual are not good play-callers or game managers.
Bingo. Also, NBA officials go tableside on shooting fouls.
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Old Mon Oct 07, 2019, 04:58pm
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Not surprisingly, most of the high school officials I deal with who get hung up on every detail of the Manual are not good play-callers or game managers.
They are hung up on terminology that even if you use a term that is not "perfect" they will ask you, "What is a secondary defender?" I swear the FB pages are the most annoying example of this kind of thinking.

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Old Mon Oct 07, 2019, 05:07pm
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They are hung up on terminology that even if you use a term that is not "perfect" they will ask you, "What is a secondary defender?" I swear the FB pages are the most annoying example of this kind of thinking.

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And the term "secondary defender" made it to the Manual a few years ago.
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Old Mon Oct 07, 2019, 05:25pm
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And the term "secondary defender" made it to the Manual a few years ago.
Well, you cannot tell it to some people, because last season there were people asking what that was and saying it was not in the manual.

Maybe a better description would be when we talk about a player "gathering the ball." You get people here, "Where is that in the rulebook?" I am just glad I do not work with many of those people.

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Old Mon Oct 07, 2019, 07:55pm
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And the term "secondary defender" made it to the Manual a few years ago.
For those of us in IAABO boards, this term was also added to the IAABO manual this year.

SCOfficial, to your point, I strive to be a good playcaller and game manager as well as someone well-versed in the rules and mechanics.
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Not surprisingly, most of the high school officials I deal with who get hung up on every detail of the Manual are not good play-callers or game managers.
Being good play-callers or game managers and having good mechanics do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Some have the whole package and can do it all.
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Being good play-callers or game managers and having good mechanics do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Some have the whole package and can do it all.
I never said they were mutually exclusive.

My point was that all these “purists” get so hung up on being technical that they don’t even bother trying to improve in the things that actually matter.

Also, following the Manual to a T doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with good mechanics. The Manual still says we’re supposed to give a prelim on every foul. Who the hell teaches or actually does this in real life? And some of the most by-the-book officials I know have the worst-looking mechanics. You can tell they’ve never seen themselves on film or practiced in a mirror.

I would take a partner any day who is sharp, crisp, and can manage a game but may occasionally use an “unapproved” yet more descriptive signal to the table (which is another issue with the NFHS altogether) over a pedantic, overly technical partner who doesn’t have much to offer other than book knowledge and telling people when they do something that isn’t 100% by the book.

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Old Mon Oct 07, 2019, 10:39pm
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Also, following the Manual to a T doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with good mechanics. The Manual still says we’re supposed to give a prelim on every foul. Who the hell teaches or actually does this in real life? And some of the most by-the-book officials I know have the worst-looking mechanics. You can tell they’ve never seen themselves on film or practiced in a mirror.
Funny you say that. It is what we are supposed to do at by those that run the state, but I rarely see officials do it to a tee. I also agree, that those might have decent signals, but cannot rotate properly or call in their area or give good secondary help.

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I would take a partner any day who is sharp, crisp, and can manage a game but may occasionally use an “unapproved” yet more descriptive signal to the table (which is another issue with the NFHS altogether) over a pedantic, overly technical partner who doesn’t have much to offer other than book knowledge and telling people when they do something that isn’t 100% by the book.
This explains most college officials I know. Sorry to those but I love working with guys with solid college experience because of that very fact. They might not be perfect, but they understand the game.

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Being good play-callers or game managers and having good mechanics do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Some have the whole package and can do it all.
Thanks for the compliment.

I pride myself on doing it all, adding in rule book knowledge as well. Rules and mechanics competency are completely under the control of each individual referee.

I started off being a good play-caller and have gotten better by listening to those who have been successful in this profession. Game manager has a few aspects to it (controlling players/dead ball officiating/common sense decision making/fruitful communication with coaches). I'm still working on improving my communications styles w/coaches. I'm still learning in regards to that aspect.
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