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The_Rookie Sat Oct 05, 2019 05:19pm

3 Person Mechanics Changes 2019
 
A few members in my association believe there were a mechanics change for 3 person high school under the following situations:

1) Lead Opposite table calls foul on offense and no free throws...No Switch?

2) Lead Table side calls foul on offense and no free throws..No Switch?

Are there any other mechanics changes for this season?

Thanks!

SC Official Sat Oct 05, 2019 07:52pm

We hardly ever long switch here.

EDIT: Now that I'm in Georgia which uses NCAA-W mechanics, we never long switch.

ilyazhito Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1034732)
A few members in my association believe there were a mechanics change for 3 person high school under the following situations:

1) Lead Opposite table calls foul on offense and no free throws...No Switch?

2) Lead Table side calls foul on offense and no free throws..No Switch?

Are there any other mechanics changes for this season?

Thanks!

What state are you? Per standard NFHS mechanics, Lead opposite goes to C tableside and L tableside goes to L tableside at the other end of the court in the situations you describe. Per standard IAABO mechanics, Lead Opposite goes to Lead opposite on the other end of the court, and lead tableside goes to Center opposite.

The main mechanics change this season is that the stop-clock signal is required prior to signalling held balls. The IAABO manual also allows bouncing the ball up the line as Lead on throw-ins below the free throw line extended, and redefines pass-crash coverage to have C take the crash on pass-crash scenarios where the ball is passed to the strong side (the side with Lead and Trail), as well as explicitly defining coverage on plays with secondary defenders.

Note: Arizona, Ohio, and Louisiana switch opposite the table without using IAABO mechanics. Louisiana does not use long switches, at least not per the 3-person mechanics presentation available on the LHSAA website.

Freddy Sun Oct 06, 2019 07:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1034732)
A few members in my association believe there were a mechanics change for 3 person high school under the following situations:
1) Lead Opposite table calls foul on offense and no free throws...No Switch?
2) Lead Table side calls foul on offense and no free throws..No Switch?
Are there any other mechanics changes for this season?

Thanks!

My new 2019-21 NFHS Officials Manual, having just arrived yesterday from another state I work in, is here in front of me. Just did a surf and survey through it to compare it with the previous edition. The two changes cited above are not found in the text. It's probably true that the "long report and return" mechanic is unofficially followed in many places beholden to NFHS mechanics. But it's not in the NFHS manual. The only real changes are a few wording revisions and a correction of the previously switched around signals #38 and 39. Some speculation existed that they'd have officials "go opposite table" after reporting, but it appears that the NFHS is still the only major mechanics set to "go tableside". I think.

ilyazhito Sun Oct 06, 2019 07:38am

The long report is official practice in Texas and Michigan. However, the long report is not approved in other places. Therefore, the officials saying that the long report is now approved are in error.

bob jenkins Sun Oct 06, 2019 08:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 1034735)
Some speculation existed that they'd have officials "go opposite table" after reporting, but it appears that the NFHS is still the only major mechanics set to "go tableside". I think.

NCAAW goes tableside.

The_Rookie Sun Oct 06, 2019 09:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1034734)
What state are you? Per standard NFHS mechanics, Lead opposite goes to C tableside and L tableside goes to L tableside at the other end of the court in the situations you describe. Per standard IAABO mechanics, Lead Opposite goes to Lead opposite on the other end of the court, and lead tableside goes to Center opposite.

The main mechanics change this season is that the stop-clock signal is required prior to signalling held balls. The IAABO manual also allows bouncing the ball up the line as Lead on throw-ins below the free throw line extended, and redefines pass-crash coverage to have C take the crash on pass-crash scenarios where the ball is passed to the strong side (the side with Lead and Trail), as well as explicitly defining coverage on plays with secondary defenders.

Note: Arizona, Ohio, and Louisiana switch opposite the table without using IAABO mechanics. Louisiana does not use long switches, at least not per the 3-person mechanics presentation available on the LHSAA website.

California

The_Rookie Sun Oct 06, 2019 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1034738)
NCAAW goes tableside.

The officials who raised this question work D2 womens. I wonder if what I described above is different in NCAA W than California HS:confused:

SC Official Sun Oct 06, 2019 09:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1034736)
The long report is official practice in Texas and Michigan. However, the long report is not approved in other places. Therefore, the officials saying that the long report is now approved are in error.

You have too much time on your hands.

Also, what is "approved" is all relative to what your state does. The NFHS Manual is not the Internal Revenue Code. In South Carolina they never mandated the long switch when it was put in place and left it up to crews to do it however they wanted.

bob jenkins Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1034740)
The officials who raised this question work D2 womens. I wonder if what I described above is different in NCAA W than California HS:confused:

Let me clarify:

On the OP -- no long switch in NCAAW.

On other fouls -- calling official goes tableside.

On the OP in IL -- if L calls foul, go tableside (either new L or new C, depending on the exact situation); if T or C call foul, no switch (although it might cause a rotation, depending on the exact throw-in spot).

Freddy Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1034738)
NCAAW goes tableside.

Thanx for your response, Bob. Didn't know that. Now I think different.

ilyazhito Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:13pm

Walk and talk (reporting while on the move), signals to start the clock, not stopping the clock on certain violations (OOB, 5 seconds, 10 seconds), and no long switches from the Lead are all differences between NFHS and NCAAW mechanics. PCAs and last-second shot coverage are also different.

Some HS officials may walk and talk and do no long switches in 3-person games in CA, but those practices are not approved in CA. CA uses NFHS mechanics, other than specific signals and procedures for the shot clock.

Raymond Mon Oct 07, 2019 05:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1034749)
Walk and talk (reporting while on the move), signals to start the clock, not stopping the clock on certain violations (OOB, 5 seconds, 10 seconds), and no long switches from the Lead are all differences between NFHS and NCAAW mechanics. PCAs and last-second shot coverage are also different.

Some HS officials may walk and talk and do no long switches in 3-person games in CA, but those practices are not approved in CA. CA uses NFHS mechanics, other than specific signals and procedures for the shot clock.

High school officials all over the country walk and talk while reporting even though it's not authorized in their state.

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JRutledge Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1034753)
High school officials all over the country walk and talk while reporting even though it's not authorized in their state.

Officials do a lot of things they are not authorized to do or told is not in our mechanics. This is the reason there are training tapes with this information showing wrongdoing.

Peace

SC Official Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:08pm

Not surprisingly, most of the high school officials I deal with who get hung up on every detail of the Manual are not good play-callers or game managers.


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