backcourt violation?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here's the explicit qualifying statement, the ending statement of the original post's description the situation: but the ball touches the floor on the dribble in the backcourt. That's how the description ends.

Everyone, other than you knew what he meant

Anything to keep your word and post count up.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Everyone, other than you knew what he meant

Everyone? Then why did bob jenkins agree with me?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree it wouldn't be a backcourt violation.

I kinda knew what bbcowboy meant, but wanted it further qualified, which bbcowboy kindly replied to.

Note: Original question could have been presented better, with ODog's and JRutledge's questions regarding frontcourt status, and my question about a second offensive touch.

Again,

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Are you saying that me stating that he ball has to return to the hand for this to be a violation is not a valid point to make in situations (written test, or real life game) like this?

Valid point, or not?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Anything to keep your word and post count up.

Would like to see some discussion regarding original post situation #2.

Originally Posted by bbcowboy

2 Player dribbles parallel to the division line and adjacent to the division line in his frontcourt. While dribbling, he places one foot on the division line, but the other foot and the ball remain in the frontcourt, Is this a backcourt violation?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does the hand have to be in contact with the ball for the backcourt violation to be called? What if the foot in on the division line while the ball is mid-dribble (not being touched by the ball handler at that second), and then the foot comes off the division line back into the frontcourt when the dribbler next touches the ball?

9-3-1-Note: A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds. The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

The citation above twice mentions out of bounds. Boundary is mentioned once. The division line is a boundary line, but it's not out of bounds. The citation is 9-3-1-Note. 9-3 deals with Out Of Bounds. 9-9 deals with Backcourt.

I never check for the hand in contact with the ball when a dribbler touches the division line with his foot in this situation, I just sound my whistle for the backcourt violation and move on. Is that technically and/or literally correct? Or is it only correct by purpose and intent? Or is it incorrect?

Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Everyone, other than you knew what he meant

Anything to keep your word and post count up.

Basically. And he posted two more times with multiple quotes after you made this comment. LOL!!!!

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... posted two more times ...

I must maintain my Esteemed Forum Member status. If I don't post enough, I lose my Esteemed Forum Member status, but more importantly, I lose my Esteemed Forum Member discount and have to pay Regular Forum Member annual dues.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I must maintain my Esteemed Forum Member status. If I don't post enough, I lose my Esteemed Forum Member status, but more importantly, I lose my Esteemed Forum Member discount and have to pay Regular Forum Member annual dues.

If you slow down--just a bit--I'll open a kickstarter account to cover your dues.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

If you slow down--just a bit--I'll open a kickstarter account to cover your dues.

It appears that Mark Padgett has hung up is whistle for good. Hopefully he didn't get it stuck in his pants zipper.

He always told me that he was the Official Forum treasurer and that I must send him my annual Official Forum dues, in small, unmarked, non-sequential serial numbers, US currency. And would always give me the Esteemed Forum Member annual dues discount.

Who's the Official Forum treasurer now? Do I still get my Esteemed Forum Member annual dues discount? Must Official Forum annual dues still be paid in small, unmarked, non-sequential serial numbers, US currency? Or can I just provide my checking account routing number and account number?

I miss Mark Padgett. When he wasn't joking around, which was almost all the time, he had a lot to add to Forum discussions regarding basketball officiating, especially recreation level basketball.

I also loved his "hard nosed, blue collar, south side of Chicago" philosophy.

Even though he lived in Oregon, and was a pot smoking, tree hugging, pig heart transplanted, Jewish hippie, he was always, first, a proud Chicagoan.

And, of course, he was our resident Law and Order expert.