Euro Step - Legal or illegal? Why either way? (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No. I've seen it used that way many times on this forum. It isn't me projecting anything. I'm just pointing that out. Some are now denying they used it that way, but it doesn't change history.

I can't account for your discussions and the people with whom you interact. I discuss rules with officials who have common sense and understand the context of "gather"-ing the ball in regards to when a dribble ends.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I can't account for your discussions and the people with whom you interact. I discuss rules with officials who have common sense and understand the context of "gather"-ing the ball in regards to when a dribble ends.

There are people in this world that misrepresent all kinds of things and words. Because you interact with people that do not understand basic jargon or definitions does not mean they represent everyone that uses the jargon properly. And I cannot think of anyone on this site that suggested that only 2 hands meant a "gather."

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I cannot think of anyone on this site that suggested that only 2 hands meant a "gather."

I'm not a big fan of the word gather, it's not in my NFHS rulebook, and my interpreter never uses it, but when in Rome ...

I've have seen kids in the pregame right side layup lines only bring the ball up with their right hand and then shoot with only their right hand, the ball never touching their left hand. The dribble had to end somewhere. Players seldom dibble into the basket.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm not a big fan of the word gather, it's not in my NFHS rulebook, and my interpreter never uses it, but when in Rome ...

I've have seen kids in the pregame right side layup lines only bring the ball up with their right hand and then shoot with only their right hand, the ball never touching their left hand. The dribble had to end somewhere. Players seldom dibble into the basket.

Yup, gather does not equate to only using 2 hands. Players make one handed layups/shots all the time without ever touching the ball with 2 hands. Also, NBA and some college players "gather" for shots by palming or cupping the ball with only one hand. lastly, we have all seen alley oops caught, gathered, and dunked with only one hand. (although many of you might not equate "gather" with being done in the the air)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've have seen kids in the pregame right side layup lines only bring the ball up with their right hand and then shoot with only their right hand, the ball never touching their left hand. The dribble had to end somewhere. Players seldom dibble into the basket.

Originally Posted by bucky

Yup, gather does not equate to only using 2 hands. Players make one handed layups/shots all the time without ever touching the ball with 2 hands.

Talk about coincidence. Tonight I had a player dribble down right side of the lane and bring the ball up with only his right hand and then shoot with only his right hand, the ball never touching his left hand.

He missed the layup.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm not a big fan of the word gather, it's not in my NFHS rulebook, and my interpreter never uses it, but when in Rome ...

If that is the standard of using words of the game, we would not use half the words we use to talk about anything in the game with coaches or players. Sorry this self-righteous position that we only use words that appears to be in the rulebook is rather silly and rather stupid. The term "flop" is not in the rulebook but I do not see anyone moralizing that is something we should not use. Just got a email from a supervisor addresing how we handle flopping and it is in no rulebook. And it is moralizing when you are picking and choosing what words are and issue when other words we use without anyone giving a damn.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If that is the standard of using words of the game, we would not use half the words we use to talk about anything in the game with coaches or players.

Agree, but some words are colloquial in nature and may vary between local areas. Here in Connecticut I have never heard the term "gather" to describe whether a play was a travel or not.

It appears that the NFHS wants us to tighten up on these local colloquial expressions with their Officiating Professionalism And Use Of Proper Terminology Point of Emphasis this year.

Good luck with that.

I can't speak for other parts of the country, but here in Connecticut, officials often refer to a baseline, we count the basket, we call jump balls, the basket has a rim, some timeouts are full timeouts, players establish legal guarding position, and we work games.

When in Rome ...