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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 01:26am
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Euro Step - Legal or illegal? Why either way? (Video)



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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 07:56am
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Easily legal in real time.

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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 02:32pm
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Hard to tell in real time, but in slow motion, he picked up the ball with his right foot still on the ground at the top of the circle. He stepped left (making the right the pivot), then stepped right again. Travel. Live, probably missed.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 03:00pm
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If that's a travel, then every euro step is a travel
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 04:01pm
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If that's a travel, then every euro step is a travel
Forget just the Euro Step, any move to the basket like this is a travel. His left foot to me is without question the pivot foot. He never plants it and puts it down again.

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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 04:26pm
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No call. Without slowing it down, it would be a guess.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 05:06pm
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slowing it down to freeze frame, it is absolutely not a travel. I was always taught if you were really quick to see violations like travel and 3 seconds, you wouldn't last long at higher levels. You should be liberal with the gather. In any event, freeze frame this, he hasn't picked the ball up in 2 hands before the step that would need to still be down for it to be a travel, is already off the floor. This is as clean as they come.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 10:17pm
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slowing it down to freeze frame, it is absolutely not a travel. I was always taught if you were really quick to see violations like travel and 3 seconds, you wouldn't last long at higher levels. You should be liberal with the gather. In any event, freeze frame this, he hasn't picked the ball up in 2 hands before the step that would need to still be down for it to be a travel, is already off the floor. This is as clean as they come.
The video shows the exact opposite of what you claim. Freeze frame and you see the ball being held in his hand(s) with the right foot down and the left foot up. You may not want to call it, but it is there.

It also doesn't take 2 hands to hold the ball. One under it is holding the ball and when the travel rule begins.
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Old Sun Jan 06, 2019, 11:18pm
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It also doesn't take 2 hands to hold the ball. One under it is holding the ball and when the travel rule begins.
It doesn't, but I would not split hairs here. Again if you have to slow it down to determine that, then you would be a better official than me to catch that during live action.

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Old Mon Jan 07, 2019, 12:21am
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I've got a freeze frame, left hand on the ball, both feet in the air, right foot has left the floor, left foot will be next. no College official, or High School official for that matter worth his salt, would call that a travel
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I have nothing in real time. Slowing it way down...as slow as I can..it looks to me that his left hand goes under the ball (ending the dribble) with right foot on floor at top of key making it pivot. I can’t see it well enough to be sure. In any event, as I said I have nothing in real time. It doesn’t help your game to be the only person on the floor calling travel.
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I've got a freeze frame, left hand on the ball, both feet in the air, right foot has left the floor, left foot will be next. no College official, or High School official for that matter worth his salt, would call that a travel
I've got that freeze frame too and several others that don't shot the point of interest. The one before that, however, shows the hand in the same place with the right foot still on the floor.

Yes, it is SO close I am sure I would never call it. But, if you're talking absolutes, it is a travel, just one that can't be confidently judged in real time....thus no call should ever be expected on it.
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I imagine we are seeing the same thing, I'm seeing the left hand on the side of the ball and the right-hand not on it, well some of you others are seeing that left hand under the ball and saying the dribble has thus been stopped. That hand isn't under the ball, it said about two-thirds of the way up the ball. I need to see that right hand also grab the ball before I would say the dribble is stopped. If you don't interpret it that way, you're going to see a whole lot more travels than I do in every single game.
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Old Mon Jan 07, 2019, 09:14am
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I have his dribble ended (gather complete) with his left foot down. He doesn't put that foot back down prior to releasing his try.

That's why it is called "judgment".
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This is not a travel. When you try to nit pick this into a travel you make a long night for your crew.
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