Delays in end game

[deecee]

Yes the penalty is the SAME. CC already outlined what the penalty is and the ONLY time that is a possible factor 5 SECONDS remaining in the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes the penalty is the SAME. CC already outlined what the penalty is and the ONLY time that is a possible factor 5 SECONDS remaining in the game.

So under all after-goal-delay circumstances, with more than five seconds left in the game, we always warn for delay (or technical foul) and never go directly to a technical foul (unless knocking the ball out of A1’s hands, crossing the boundary line and fouling A1 (not technical, intentional personal), and reaching through the out-of-bounds plane and touching the ball while in the hands of A1), even if the defender tosses the ball six rows up into the bleachers?

If that's the case, I'm cool to it. I just wanted to double check.

Again, isn't there a caseplay or interpretation where the end-of-game defender throws the ball toward the bleachers (à la Patrick Ewing)?

The answer may be "No".

[deecee]

If less than 5 seconds and the player throws the ball in the stands ignore...unless the opposing team was going to make an attempt at inbounds...then T. If more than 5 seconds...DOG (warning or T depending on if first or second violation).

Although at the HS level (and possibly college) a case can be made that this act is unsporting on the specific player and would not follow the DOG process.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Again, isn't there a caseplay or interpretation where the end-of-game defender throws the ball toward the bleachers (à la Patrick Ewing)?

Wasn't a caseplay or interpretation, it was a thread:

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1012227

Originally Posted by deecee

... a case can be made that this act is unsporting on the specific player and would not follow the DOG process.

Sounds like a plan. Not a delay situation, but rather, an unsporting act.

[bucky]

It is about purpose. If the defense is delaying in order to solely benefit themselves, then adjudicate to reward the offense. If the defense is delaying in order to solely disallow the offense from benefiting, then adjudicate to penalize the defense. Time becomes mostly irrelevant.

Wow, that was tough to interpret. My apologies.

The whole 5 second thing is about the game being done so why bother doing anything? Game has been decided, let's go home.

If you have more than 5 seconds, say in the first quarter, and a defender kicks the ball across the gym after a basket, that act is not about delaying the game. That act is about being unsporting in every sense of the word. Go with T and tack on DOG at the same time.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

It is about purpose ... If you have more than 5 seconds, say in the first quarter, and a defender kicks the ball across the gym after a basket, that act is not about delaying the game. That act is about being unsporting in every sense of the word. Go with T and tack on DOG at the same time.

Agree.

After reading posts in this thread, and other threads, and reading the relevant rules, and the relevant casebook plays, this is what I've come up with.

In various delay/prevent situations after a goal scored:

If the action (throw-in plane, interfering with the ball), with more than five seconds remaining in the game, is delaying the game, go with a delay of game warning (or technical foul after prior warning). If less than five seconds remaining in the game, ignore such actions.

If the action (at any point in the game, regardless of score, or time remaining) is preventing the ball from becoming live (one example, kicking the ball into the bleachers), go directly to a technical foul, not for delay of game, but for the unsporting act of preventing the ball from becoming live (no warning needed), and tack on a delay warning in the book.

The following acts have their own rule and their own penalty, regardless of the score and time remaining in the game: Knocking the ball out of A1’s hands (technical foul), and crossing the boundary line and fouling A1 (intentional personal foul), and also tack on a delay warning in the book for either.

How's that sound?