Nine second rim hang = no call

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe that's my answer (above)? But wouldn't that mean that an NBA player is allowed to hang on them ring for a prolonged period of time after every single successful dunk, since every single successful dunk is immediately followed by a dead ball period? Maybe that's the NBA rule? Maybe NBA players are only charged with technical fouls for hanging on the ring for a prolonged period of time during live ball situations, like an unsuccessful dunk attempt?

Or after the ball becomes live again which it never did in this situation

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Or after the ball becomes live again which it never did in this situation

Because of the immediate timeout. Good point. So maybe the rule reads that an NBA player can hang on the ring for a prolonged period of time as long as the ball doesn't become live again during the prolonged hang? Maybe had a timeout not been taken, and if the ball had been at the disposal of the other team, thus live ball, it would have been a technical foul? So an NBA player can never be charged with excessively hanging on the ring as long as the ball is dead, and remains dead during the "hang time", and as long as there isn't taunting, or a delay of game?

If that's the rule, then the L2M Report seems logical.

[Altor]

Having never read the NBA rulebook in my life, but reading what ilyazhito has been saying about seemingly back-to-back sections of Rule 12-IV. This interpretation should be consistent with those rules. Unless there is another section about a player that is neither offensive nor defensive hanging on the rim, it would be logical that those two sections could only be applied during a live ball.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

Having never read the NBA rulebook in my life, but reading what ilyazhito has been saying about seemingly back-to-back sections of Rule 12-IV. This interpretation should be consistent with those rules. Unless there is another section about a player that is neither offensive nor defensive hanging on the rim, it would be logical that those two sections could only be applied during a live ball.

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

NBA Rulebook Rule 12-IV-a ... an offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net backboard, or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul ... a defensive player may not deliberately hang on the ring.

Thanks ilyazhito and Raymond.

As a high school basketball official, I really don't care very much about NBA rules, but as a scientist, I do care about logic.

That dead ball comment from the L2M Report has been a bee in my bonnet since the original post of the L2M Report.

Hopefully the bee has moved on to somebody else's bonnet.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks ilyazhito.

That dead ball comment from the L2M Report has been a bee in my bonnet since the original post of the L2M Report. Hopefully the bee has moved on to somebody else's bonnet.

Basing your opinions on ilyazhito's thoughts will get you stung.

He has yet to post a ruling that applies to this situation. Shoot, he didn't even know the ball never became live or that it bounded out towards the division line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

He has yet to post a ruling that applies to this situation.

Didn't he post this: NBA Rulebook Rule 12-IV-a ... an offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net backboard, or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul ... a defensive player may not deliberately hang on the ring.

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

... timeout can only be called by a player or head coach of the team in control.

He may have had a brain hiccup on the made basket/dead ball/timeout situation?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Didn't he post this: NBA Rulebook Rule 12-IV-a ... an offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net backboard, or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul ... a defensive player may not deliberately hang on the ring.



He may have had a brain hiccup on the made basket/dead ball/timeout situation?

LeBron was neither a defensive player nor an offensive player; the ball was dead, which has been repeated by me ad nauseam. The ball being dead for a time-out has explicitly been stated as ONE of the reasons LeBron was not T'd up. Your buddy has yet to post a ruling concerning hanging on the rim during a time-out, intermission, or pre-game. What is so difficult to understand about that?

After the made dunk shot, James (LAL) remains on the rim after the timeout is called and players have cleared the area under the rim. The ball is dead and he is not taunting or delaying the game

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Basing your opinions on ilyazhito's thoughts will get you stung.

He has yet to post a ruling that applies to this situation.

My comment was based on what I assumed were fairly direct quotes from the NBA rulebook. Those were the only parts of his post that I took any credence in since they appeared to be from a source that wasn't ilyazhito .

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So an NBA player can never be charged with excessively hanging on the ring as long as the ball is dead, and remains dead during the "hang time", and as long as there isn't taunting, or a delay of game?

If that's the rule, then the L2M Report seems logical.

Billy, please do not fall into the same trap as others. Always try to read all posts/information provided. (unless you are goading). Conflicting/inconsistent L2Ms have already been provided that answer your question. Regarding the same play(and player), the NBA indicates a T should have been called and in another it does not. That is one point of the entire thread. Where else will we ever see someone hang on the rim for 9 seconds (I liked how LBJ even looked around at one point) and T not be called? I am curious as to the what the longest rim hang has ever been during a play in a game. I have seen some good hang times with players tangled up or on the floor under the rim, but never something like 9 seconds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

Conflicting/inconsistent L2Ms have already been provided that answer your question. Regarding the same play (and player), the NBA indicates a T should have been called and in another it does not.

Inconsistencies/Conflicts may be logical, or illogical, but they're still inconsistencies/conflicts, and therein may lie the underlying problem within this thread.

Originally Posted by bucky

... as I have provided, the NBA has also commented where a T should have been called (during same dead ball period after made basket and TO) but it was not.

Provided? Where? Did I miss something? I would love to see some of these inconsistent/conflicting L2M Reports regarding the same play and the same player, and how the NBA explains the plays. I don't even need the same player, just the same play will do.

As an official, former coach, and a basketball fan, I don't like King James hanging on the ring for nine seconds, but if the NBA allows it by rule, and isn't just the interpretation of the NBA official on site that night, then there's nothing we can do about it, other than turn off the game on television (instead watch Crickey! It's the Irwins, my new favorite show), not attend the games, and not purchase anything that's advertised during the games.