3-Man SNAFU

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Silly me. The video was at a somewhat wonky angle, so I mixed up left and right. U1 and U2 did what they should have done, but R went behind U2 instead of U1. If U2 dropped to Lead, U1 could come up to C, and a rotation would rectify the situation, which is what I thought the crew would do. However, the video turned into YouTube comedy.
Now I understand why R should hesitate before choosing a direction to go, because it ended up being his error that put the crew in a ridiculous position.

Ridiculous?

It's one possession. Stuff happens.




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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Ridiculous?

It's one possession. Stuff happens.

And this might only happen once in an entire year. I cannot remember the last time this took place in a real game. Camp games? Well that is a different story and usually done by inexperienced 3 person officials.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And this might only happen once in an entire year. I cannot remember the last time this took place in a real game. Camp games? Well that is a different story and usually done by inexperienced 3 person officials.

Peace

This particular item, maybe.

Someone missing a rotation and someone needing to adjust to fill in -- happens a couple of times a season, I'd guess.

[JRutledge]

The bottom line, it is very rare. If it happens you not need to panic, just fill in and laugh about it later.

Peace

[TopicalTropical]

Wouldn't it be better not to cross over? I don't like seeing that when the ball is live. I think that comes from working youth games with newer refs who kept crossing or staying in the middle then getting caught in the play. I'd rather the trail wait. Then another team gets the ball. Trail becomes lead. C to C. Lead becomes trail and hopefully he will recognize what is going on and cross from the baseline over safely so there are only 3 refs on one side briefly.

Again, I like the video and just a good one to watch so it can help you avoid these unusual but understandable situations.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by TopicalTropical

Wouldn't it be better not to cross over? I don't like seeing that when the ball is live. I think that comes from working youth games with newer refs who kept crossing or staying in the middle then getting caught in the play. I'd rather the trail wait. Then another team gets the ball. Trail becomes lead. C to C. Lead becomes trail and hopefully he will recognize what is going on and cross from the baseline over safely so there are only 3 refs on one side briefly.

So what do you do if no one but the Trail recognizes the mistake? Also, you have an entire sideline not covered. You also have the potential of officials spending several minutes potentially if the Trail never moves across the court.

Not sure any of this has to do with something newer officials do other than the initial mistake. There is no one-size-fits-all solution when you clearly have missed rotation. But usually, you cross when you get a chance ASAP. Yes, it there a potential of getting in the way? Sure, but that is why you do not miss rotations.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

The most typical missed rotation situation (and the one accounted for in mechanics books), is when the Lead makes a late rotation that Trail and Center fail to pick up. In that case, during transition, the old L/new T is instructed to move back to his original side, presumably because the old T did not see the rotation, and assumed that he would be Lead.

However, the OP situation is atypical, because it happens at the beginning of the game, and it is a real game, not a camp situation. I would hope that the OP crew redeemed themselves later in the game, but I think that the coaches would be questioning the crew's competence when they saw that display from the officials. Pre-game and jump ball mechanics in 3-person are standard for a reason: to enable a crew of any experience level to start the game correctly. If I was the C, and saw that R (who is Trail in jump ball situations), lines up behind me when he should be my partner, I go to Lead, and hope that my partner picks up on the error and goes to C. If not, we have very good endline/post coverage for 1 possession��. If I am R, I wait before I go to Trail, so that I fill in the correct gap (if the ball went left, I follow U1, if right, follow U2), based on where my Umpires lined up and where the ball went. This would be a good situation to break the ice at a pre-game, and get us to relax when needing to correct a bad rotation.