Basketball Needs To Be Fixed

[MechanicGuy]

Your solutions would lead to a much worse product.

[Raymond]

Committee Meetings-Indianapolis

[JRutledge]

The game is fine. Nothing you state is going to help the game IMO. As Rich says, make FTs and this problem is solved. They are after all "free."

Peace

[CJP]

Calling an intentional foul an intentional foul will help. They are not called enough.

[HokiePaul]

Late game fouling is a desperation move when there is no other option.

In most sports, the losing team will become more and more desperate and take more and more risks as the clock winds down. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. Hockey teams pull the goalie, football teams waste a down by spiking the ball and killing the clock, basketball teams foul and give the other team free throws, baseball teams sub out balanced player for an offensive pinch hitter or pinch runner, etc. It's certainly not something that needs to be prohibited.

[rotationslim]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Late game fouling is a desperation move when there is no other option.

In most sports, the losing team will become more and more desperate and take more and more risks as the clock winds down. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. Hockey teams pull the goalie, football teams waste a down by spiking the ball and killing the clock, basketball teams foul and give the other team free throws, baseball teams sub out balanced player for an offensive pinch hitter or pinch runner, etc. It's certainly not something that needs to be prohibited.

but none of those "desperation" strategies involve intentional breaking of the rules, and none of those stop the clock every 3 seconds and make the last 30 seconds of a game last twenty minutes. Make basketball teams that are behind use other "desperation" moves-- double teaming the ball in an attempt to steal, defenders comming to stealing a pass, giving up quality guarding positions, going to full court press, etc. Those can all be done.. and not make the end of a game a farce.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CJP

Calling an intentional foul an intentional foul will help. They are not called enough.

I agree, but that is not the issue here. Fouling at the end of the game is an acceptable practice by the rules makers. You can foul at the end of the game and not commit an intentional foul.

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Don't change the rules to help those that are poor at one aspect of the game. Make the freethrows. If you can't you deserve to be put at a disadvantage.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree, but that is not the issue here. Fouling at the end of the game is an acceptable practice by the rules makers. You can foul at the end of the game and not commit an intentional foul.

Peace

You don't say.

[rotationslim]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree, but that is not the issue here. Fouling at the end of the game is an acceptable practice by the rules makers. You can foul at the end of the game and not commit an intentional foul.

Peace

That is very true, sometimes there are legitimate fouls at the end of the game that just come from aggressive, good play. But there are also a lot of times when a ball is inbounded and the defenseman runs over and grabs the ball handler in a clear attempt to foul, and it is never called as intentional.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rotationslim

That is very true, sometimes there are legitimate fouls at the end of the game that just come from aggressive, good play. But there are also a lot of times when a ball is inbounded and the defenseman runs over and grabs the ball handler in a clear attempt to foul, and it is never called as intentional.

Again, it is not illegal to "intentionally" foul someone. The foul is not based on whether you meant to do it, it is based on the kind of action that you fouled them. Like you never made any attempt at the ball. If I reach for the ball hand foul you, your intent is not the issue. Yes, that is why the NF said it was an acceptable strategy to foul a player at the end of the game on purpose.

Peace

[rotationslim]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Your solutions would lead to a much worse product.

not being a smart-ass, interested in knowing why you think that? What about that would make it worse?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rotationslim

not being a smart-ass, interested in knowing why you think that? What about that would make it worse?

According to you, any foul at the end of the game would be ruled as intentional. We would have legitimate plays rules that way and would end the game really early. There would be no drama at the end to make the FTs when they clearly are fouled or a team takes a risk to steal the ball.

Peace

[Paintguru]

I don't necessarily disagree with the OP...the end of basketball games, from the NBA to HS, is typically tedious and boring when you get into FT shooting contests. I don't agree that any foul in the last two minutes should equal 2FT and possession though, as that doesn't solve the issue, and penalizes legitimate defensive play.

I wonder what would happen if you gave the fouled team the option to shoot FT or take the ball out of bounds...just thinking off the top of my head. I know this has been discussed for hack-a-shaq situations, which is also an issue. I've never understood why you force a team to take a reward and don't give them a choice since they are the offended party.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Paintguru

I don't necessarily disagree with the OP...the end of basketball games, from the NBA to HS, is typically tedious and boring when you get into FT shooting contests. I don't agree that any foul in the last two minutes should equal 2FT and possession though, as that doesn't solve the issue, and penalizes legitimate defensive play.

I wonder what would happen if you gave the fouled team the option to shoot FT or take the ball out of bounds...just thinking off the top of my head. I know this has been discussed for hack-a-shaq situations, which is also an issue. I've never understood why you force a team to take a reward and don't give them a choice since they are the offended party.

So the losing team would just continue fouling and the winning team will continue taking the ball out. That won't speed up the game.