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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 09:20am
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Basketball Needs To Be Fixed

The last two minutes of most games is atrocious. I cant think of another sport where the over-riding driver of one of the teams on the floor is to deliberately break the rules again and again. Intentional fouling is ruining the game, especially in High School ball with no shot clock. It makes a mockery of the game-- devaluing sportmanship, flow and athleticism. It's out of whack if a team can gain advantage by breaking the rule (and, in reality they sometimes can gain advantage by fouling, or they wouldn't be doing it) then the penalty for that foul is not sever enough. A simple rule change can eliminate most of the nonsense. Any foul in the last 2 minutes is automatic 2 FT and possession. Maybe you dont like that, and it would be drastic, how about we start calling any foul that is intentional-- an "intentional foul"
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 09:23am
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The last two minutes of most games is atrocious. I cant think of another sport where the over-riding driver of one of the teams on the floor is to deliberately break the rules again and again. Intentional fouling is ruining the game, especially in High School ball with no shot clock. It makes a mockery of the game-- devaluing sportmanship, flow and athleticism. It's out of whack if a team can gain advantage by breaking the rule (and, in reality they sometimes can gain advantage by fouling, or they wouldn't be doing it) then the penalty for that foul is not sever enough. A simple rule change can eliminate most of the nonsense. Any foul in the last 2 minutes is automatic 2 FT and possession. Maybe you dont like that, and it would be drastic, how about we start calling any foul that is intentional-- an "intentional foul"
Make the free throws.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 10:55am
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Your solutions would lead to a much worse product.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 11:54am
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The game is fine. Nothing you state is going to help the game IMO. As Rich says, make FTs and this problem is solved. They are after all "free."

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Calling an intentional foul an intentional foul will help. They are not called enough.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 01:20pm
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Your solutions would lead to a much worse product.
not being a smart-ass, interested in knowing why you think that? What about that would make it worse?
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not being a smart-ass, interested in knowing why you think that? What about that would make it worse?
According to you, any foul at the end of the game would be ruled as intentional. We would have legitimate plays rules that way and would end the game really early. There would be no drama at the end to make the FTs when they clearly are fouled or a team takes a risk to steal the ball.

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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 03:00pm
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I don't necessarily disagree with the OP...the end of basketball games, from the NBA to HS, is typically tedious and boring when you get into FT shooting contests. I don't agree that any foul in the last two minutes should equal 2FT and possession though, as that doesn't solve the issue, and penalizes legitimate defensive play.

I wonder what would happen if you gave the fouled team the option to shoot FT or take the ball out of bounds...just thinking off the top of my head. I know this has been discussed for hack-a-shaq situations, which is also an issue. I've never understood why you force a team to take a reward and don't give them a choice since they are the offended party.
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There would be no drama at the end to make the FTs when they clearly are fouled or a team takes a risk to steal the ball.

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No need for drama-- lets let good basketball play decide the contest. In my mind good basketball play includes speed and power and flow and playmaking with the ball. None of those count for anything in the final moments of a foul cause you are behind end of game scenario. It comes down to a coach calling play after play in timeouts like a football coach.. and guys grabbing the ball handler like he is a cop making an arrest.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 04:25pm
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Your solutions would lead to a much worse product.not being a smart-ass, interested in knowing why you think that? What about that would make it worse?
I have to admit, I had the same question.

Other proposals, which I think aren't terrible, include automatic bonus and possession after the 12th foul or something similar.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 01:39pm
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Make the free throws.
Make the (intentional foul) calls!
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 03:43pm
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Had a close game this weekend where kid told me out of a timeout they were going to foul. I said make sure you make a play on the ball....Kid proceeded to grab a player from behind by the arms...he didn't have the ball.

Coach was dumbfounded why I called intentional foul.
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Old Tue Mar 06, 2018, 04:47pm
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Had a close game this weekend where kid told me out of a timeout they were going to foul. I said make sure you make a play on the ball....Kid proceeded to grab a player from behind by the arms...he didn't have the ball.

Coach was dumbfounded why I called intentional foul.
Probably because in prior games other officials let that go as a common foul. You ruined his end of game plan.
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Maybe go to 3 FTs to make 2 like it was in NBA back in the day.
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