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rotationslim Tue Mar 06, 2018 09:20am

Basketball Needs To Be Fixed
 
The last two minutes of most games is atrocious. I cant think of another sport where the over-riding driver of one of the teams on the floor is to deliberately break the rules again and again. Intentional fouling is ruining the game, especially in High School ball with no shot clock. It makes a mockery of the game-- devaluing sportmanship, flow and athleticism. It's out of whack if a team can gain advantage by breaking the rule (and, in reality they sometimes can gain advantage by fouling, or they wouldn't be doing it) then the penalty for that foul is not sever enough. A simple rule change can eliminate most of the nonsense. Any foul in the last 2 minutes is automatic 2 FT and possession. Maybe you dont like that, and it would be drastic, how about we start calling any foul that is intentional-- an "intentional foul"

Rich Tue Mar 06, 2018 09:23am

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Originally Posted by rotationslim (Post 1018225)
The last two minutes of most games is atrocious. I cant think of another sport where the over-riding driver of one of the teams on the floor is to deliberately break the rules again and again. Intentional fouling is ruining the game, especially in High School ball with no shot clock. It makes a mockery of the game-- devaluing sportmanship, flow and athleticism. It's out of whack if a team can gain advantage by breaking the rule (and, in reality they sometimes can gain advantage by fouling, or they wouldn't be doing it) then the penalty for that foul is not sever enough. A simple rule change can eliminate most of the nonsense. Any foul in the last 2 minutes is automatic 2 FT and possession. Maybe you dont like that, and it would be drastic, how about we start calling any foul that is intentional-- an "intentional foul"

Make the free throws.

MechanicGuy Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:55am

Your solutions would lead to a much worse product.

Raymond Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:11am

Committee Meetings-Indianapolis

JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:54am

The game is fine. Nothing you state is going to help the game IMO. As Rich says, make FTs and this problem is solved. They are after all "free."

Peace

CJP Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:01pm

Calling an intentional foul an intentional foul will help. They are not called enough.

HokiePaul Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:12pm

Late game fouling is a desperation move when there is no other option.

In most sports, the losing team will become more and more desperate and take more and more risks as the clock winds down. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. Hockey teams pull the goalie, football teams waste a down by spiking the ball and killing the clock, basketball teams foul and give the other team free throws, baseball teams sub out balanced player for an offensive pinch hitter or pinch runner, etc. It's certainly not something that needs to be prohibited.

JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1018243)
Calling an intentional foul an intentional foul will help. They are not called enough.

I agree, but that is not the issue here. Fouling at the end of the game is an acceptable practice by the rules makers. You can foul at the end of the game and not commit an intentional foul.

Peace

jeremy341a Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:29pm

Don't change the rules to help those that are poor at one aspect of the game. Make the freethrows. If you can't you deserve to be put at a disadvantage.

CJP Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:29pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1018245)
I agree, but that is not the issue here. Fouling at the end of the game is an acceptable practice by the rules makers. You can foul at the end of the game and not commit an intentional foul.

Peace

You don't say.

CJP Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by rotationslim (Post 1018225)
The last two minutes of most games is atrocious. I cant think of another sport where the over-riding driver of one of the teams on the floor is to deliberately break the rules again and again. Intentional fouling is ruining the game, especially in High School ball with no shot clock. It makes a mockery of the game-- devaluing sportmanship, flow and athleticism. It's out of whack if a team can gain advantage by breaking the rule (and, in reality they sometimes can gain advantage by fouling, or they wouldn't be doing it) then the penalty for that foul is not sever enough. A simple rule change can eliminate most of the nonsense. Any foul in the last 2 minutes is automatic 2 FT and possession. Maybe you dont like that, and it would be drastic, how about we start calling any foul that is intentional-- an "intentional foul"

Lack of enforcing intentional fouls was a point of emphasis this year.

https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource...hasis-2017-18/

rotationslim Tue Mar 06, 2018 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 1018244)
Late game fouling is a desperation move when there is no other option.

In most sports, the losing team will become more and more desperate and take more and more risks as the clock winds down. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. Hockey teams pull the goalie, football teams waste a down by spiking the ball and killing the clock, basketball teams foul and give the other team free throws, baseball teams sub out balanced player for an offensive pinch hitter or pinch runner, etc. It's certainly not something that needs to be prohibited.

but none of those "desperation" strategies involve intentional breaking of the rules, and none of those stop the clock every 3 seconds and make the last 30 seconds of a game last twenty minutes. Make basketball teams that are behind use other "desperation" moves-- double teaming the ball in an attempt to steal, defenders comming to stealing a pass, giving up quality guarding positions, going to full court press, etc. Those can all be done.. and not make the end of a game a farce.

rotationslim Tue Mar 06, 2018 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 1018237)
Your solutions would lead to a much worse product.

not being a smart-ass, interested in knowing why you think that? What about that would make it worse?

rotationslim Tue Mar 06, 2018 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1018245)
I agree, but that is not the issue here. Fouling at the end of the game is an acceptable practice by the rules makers. You can foul at the end of the game and not commit an intentional foul.

Peace

That is very true, sometimes there are legitimate fouls at the end of the game that just come from aggressive, good play. But there are also a lot of times when a ball is inbounded and the defenseman runs over and grabs the ball handler in a clear attempt to foul, and it is never called as intentional.

rotationslim Tue Mar 06, 2018 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018227)
Make the free throws.

Make the (intentional foul) calls!


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