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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:38am
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General Safety Precaution, Or A Specific Rule ???

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... nothing prohibits A2, A3, A4, and A5 from standing in front of Team A's Bench and drink water while A1 is attempting his FTs.
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Water is not allowed on the court during play. This includes FT attempts. If these kids need water, then they need to be substituted and drink while on the bench. Water is only permitted to be given to players during time-outs.
Agree in practice with Nevadaref, for general safety reasons.

But to Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s point, occasionally we see a water bottle handed to a player, not a cup of water. Is there a specific rule, casebook, or annual interpretation, against this, or is this just a general safety rule?

The only citation that I can come up with is if the water is spilled on the floor, generating a delay of game warning, or if already warned, a delay of game technical foul.
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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:11am
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I was with MTD until his final comment.
Water is not allowed on the court during play. This includes FT attempts.
If these kids need water, then they need to be substituted and drink while on the bench.
Water is only permitted to be given to players during time-outs.
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Agree in practice with Nevadaref, for general safety reasons.

But to Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s point, occasionally we see a water bottle handed to a player, not a cup of water. Is there a specific rule, casebook, or annual interpretation, against this, or is this just a general safety rule?

The only citation that I can come up with is if the water is spilled on the floor, generating a delay of game warning, or if already warned, a delay of game technical foul.

NevadaRef: Please tell us what Rule prohibits A2, A3, A4, and A5 drinking water during A1's FTAs? Don't bother answering my question because it is a rhetorical question. There is no such Rule.

As BillyMac has pointed out there is a Rule to apply if Players from Team A spill dihydrogen monoxide (that was for all the Chemists and Chemical Engineers in the room because this is the last day of National Engineers Week, but I digress) on the Court.

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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:34am
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As BillyMac has pointed out there is a Rule to apply if Players from Team A spill dihydrogen monoxide (that was for all the Chemists and Chemical Engineers in the room because this is the last day of National Engineers Week, but I digress) on the Court.

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Not wanting to water down the joke, I always preferred hydrogen hydroxide.

I'd probably go with a quick, strong, verbal suggestion rather than stopping the game with a whistle. Remind the AC about standing. Don't mind a quick water bottle drink but not a kid/manager with a cup of beverage. Talk about asking for trouble.

As far as the delay of game, anything unusual might cause a delay. Yes, there are specific acts listed to provide a warning for a delay but there are also only examples listed for player delays that warrant a technical. So, if kid spills water on the court during a FT, and it is enough to delay the game, call a T on the kid. Usually, if a couple of drops are spilled, they are quickly remedied and no delay occurs.
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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:58pm
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Not wanting to water down the joke, I always preferred hydrogen hydroxide.

I'd probably go with a quick, strong, verbal suggestion rather than stopping the game with a whistle. Remind the AC about standing. Don't mind a quick water bottle drink but not a kid/manager with a cup of beverage. Talk about asking for trouble.

As far as the delay of game, anything unusual might cause a delay. Yes, there are specific acts listed to provide a warning for a delay but there are also only examples listed for player delays that warrant a technical. So, if kid spills water on the court during a FT, and it is enough to delay the game, call a T on the kid. Usually, if a couple of drops are spilled, they are quickly remedied and no delay occurs.

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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:32am
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The only citation that I can come up with is if the water is spilled on the floor, generating a delay of game warning, or if already warned, a delay of game technical foul.
Doesn't that apply only "after a time out" ?
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Old Sat Feb 24, 2018, 03:02pm
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Doesn't that apply only "after a time out" ?
A warning to a team for delay is an administrative procedure by an official
which is recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported to the coach:
ART. 1 For throw-in plane violations, as in 9-2-10, 10-1-5c.
ART. 2 For huddle by either team and contact with the free thrower, as in
10-1-5d.
ART. 3 For interfering with the ball following a goal as in 10-1-5e.
ART. 4 For failure to have the court ready for play following any time-out
as in 10-1-5f.

Can we assume that an intermission is not a timeout? I believe so. Word to the wise: Sometimes a delay of game isn't really a delay of game.
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