GHSA Forces Replay of Game's Final Second

[FormerUmp]

From the 2017-2018 GHSA Constitution and By-Laws
2.90-Regulations of Competitions
2.92-Contest Rules
(f)-No protests are allowed in any GHSA sport or
activity unless specified by NFHS rules.

https://www.ghsa.net/constitution

[scrounge]

those goobers are just making it up as they go along, and this isn't even close to the first time

[biz2]

Ok, I get the frustration with a state association not following its own written rules and it appears, from other responses, that this isn't the first time.

Can we not understand the legitimate frustrations of a coach who lost a game because a rule was misapplied?

My State association does not allow protests but some of the conferences in my area allow protests and this is a situation where I believe some of those conferences would allow for a replay of the final second of play (or from wherever the rule was kicked).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by biz2

Can we not understand the legitimate frustrations of a coach who lost a game because a rule was misapplied?

I can understand the frustration, but the conclusion (lost BECAUSE the rule was misapplied) is not valid. The game was lost because of ALL the events of the game (including the rule issue).

And, that's a lesson that should be part of scholastic sports, imo. (And, yes, the officials involved should be reprimanded somehow as well)

[biz2]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I can understand the frustration, but the conclusion (lost BECAUSE the rule was misapplied) is not valid. The game was lost because of ALL the events of the game (including the rule issue).

And, that's a lesson that should be part of scholastic sports, imo. (And, yes, the officials involved should be reprimanded somehow as well)

Fair point.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I can understand the frustration, but the conclusion (lost BECAUSE the rule was misapplied) is not valid. The game was lost because of ALL the events of the game (including the rule issue).

And, that's a lesson that should be part of scholastic sports, imo. (And, yes, the officials involved should be reprimanded somehow as well)

This is the position I've taken for years since I joined the officiating fraternity almost 15 years ago. The action of one, i.e. the crew, was not the only factor that determined the final outcome. What happened in the previous 31:59 cannot be discounted. All participants in the game are accountable.

Family and friends that ask for my take on game situations and calls are put off by it, but so be it.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I can understand the frustration, but the conclusion (lost BECAUSE the rule was misapplied) is not valid. The game was lost because of ALL the events of the game (including the rule issue).

BS. In progress bad calls can be overcome. Last play bad calls cannot.

All the events leading up to it had the team winning the game. They earned it. Lost on the bad call.

All the events leading up to what should have been the last out gave the pitcher a perfect game. He earned it. Lost it on a bad call.

Lost an OT basketball game in HS because the timer delayed starting the clock.

Replay is there for a reason. Protests are there for a reason.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

BS. In progress bad calls can be overcome. Last play bad calls cannot.

All the events leading up to it had the team winning the game. They earned it. Lost on the bad call.

All the events leading up to what should have been the last out gave the pitcher a perfect game. He earned it. Lost it on a bad call.

Lost an OT basketball game in HS because the timer delayed starting the clock.

Replay is there for a reason. Protests are there for a reason.

NAH. All of the above are what people cry about because:

1. it's the last thing that happens and is therefore the easiest thing to remember about the game.
2. fans and coaches would rather scapegoat than truly identify the myriad of reasons that led them to the point that one single thing toppled their precariously built house of cards

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

BS. In progress bad calls can be overcome

This logic is flawed. Just like an "in progress bad call" can be overcome, the team could have scored more points during the 32 minutes, so that the game was not so close at the end. Baskets scored in any of the 1,920 seconds are equally important. And if a bad call does occur, it doesn't matter when it occurs.

As Bob said, it is "ALL the events of the game" that determine the winner.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

This logic is flawed. Just like an "in progress bad call" can be overcome, the team could have scored more points during the 32 minutes, so that the game was not so close at the end. Baskets scored in any of the 1,920 seconds are equally important. And if a bad call does occur, it doesn't matter when it occurs.

As Bob said, it is "ALL the events of the game" that determine the winner.

This is a great way for referees (and players) to feel better. But there is a difference. On a call that happens in the first half (or a shot that is missed), even if it is a close game, it is never possible to say with certainty "but for that missed call [or shot] we would have won the game," as the events that followed would have been different if the score were different, etc.

But when the mistake by the referee (or player) happens at or about the buzzer, we do know that but for that mistake, the outcome would have been different. Of course, and perhaps really the point you were making, that doesn't mean that mistake (by player or referee) was the sole cause of the end result, but it definitely changed the result.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for the "refs cost us the game," because as noted there are a zillion events that went into the result. (And I've seen very, very few games where that is a fair statement--not zero, but very, very few.) And I agree that, in most games, the mistakes by the referees roughly balance out over the course of a game (and if not a game, a season). But that doesn't mean that a referee mistake at the end of a game didn't change the result of a game.

[LRZ]

I have no problem with protests of misapplied rules. But don't ignore the plain, clear language of a rule prohibiting protests--that's disingenuous; change the rules to permit them, if that is what the sport's governing body thinks appropriate.

[sdoebler]

Does this open them up to replaying any misapplication of rules? Obviously going back to the point of interruption here is a little easier with only one second left.

What if there is a clear misapplication of rules when the game is tied in the second quarter? As officials we can make mistakes with judgement but are expected to know the rules. However, I am sure that everyone (I know I have) has misapplied a ruled at some point in their career. I know a few people have pointed out this sets a poor precedent but really where does it end?

[Shane O]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

Does this open them up to replaying any misapplication of rules? Obviously going back to the point of interruption here is a little easier with only one second left.

What if there is a clear misapplication of rules when the game is tied in the second quarter? As officials we can make mistakes with judgement but are expected to know the rules. However, I am sure that everyone (I know I have) has misapplied a ruled at some point in their career. I know a few people have pointed out this sets a poor precedent but really where does it end?

This is exactly my thought! What if this happened in the first minute of the game and they end up losing by a point? They can now protest and go back to point of interruption? Like another poster mentioned, a final score is the accumulation of all plays and calls made in a game. Wild stuff!

[jeremy341a]

In Missouri you have to protest during the game. No protests are heard after the game has ended.

Page 19

https://www.mshsaa.org/resources/pdf...l%20Manual.pdf

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

In Missouri you have to protest during the game. No protests are heard after the game has ended.

Page 19

https://www.mshsaa.org/resources/pdf...l%20Manual.pdf

What percentage of your coaches A) know this rule? B) Can find their rule book in 10 minutes?

c. Following this notification of protest, the head coach shall be allowed approximately ten minutes to use his/her National Federation Rules Book, National Federation Case Book, MSHSAA Rules Meeting Announcements and/or MSHSAA Sport Manual to locate and show the game official(s) the appropriate rule reference which clarifies a misapplication of the game rule.