Jerseys during Warm-ups

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You don't.

SITUATION 4: During the pregame warm-up, the 12 members of Team A are wearing warm-up tops, but not their team jerseys. Approximately one minute prior to the opening jump ball, the 12 Team A members go to the team bench, remove the warm-up tops and put on the team jerseys. RULING: One technical foul is charged to Team A, and it is also charged indirectly to the head coach. COMMENT: In a situation where similar multiple infractions occur at the same time, it is not the intent of the rules to penalize each individual infraction as a separate technical foul. (3-4-15; 10-4-1h)

SITUATION 5: A1 is directed to leave the game with a blood-saturated jersey. While at the team bench area, he/she removes the jersey and changes into a clean, spare jersey. RULING: A1 is assessed a technical foul. Team B is awarded two free throws and the ball for a division line throw-in. COMMENT: The uniform rule is intended to be applied in all situations. It is not unreasonable to expect team members to leave the playing area to change uniforms. (3-4-15; 10-4-1h)[

I'm assuming these citations are from a previous year's case book? I don't see them in the current book, and quoted rules citations are inaccurate. (Rule 3 Section 4 has 5 articles, not 15). What year's book are you referencing, or is this an interpretation from somewhere else?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I'm assuming these citations are from a previous year's case book? I don't see them in the current book, and quoted rules citations are inaccurate. What year's book are you referencing, or is this an interpretation from somewhere else?

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post546075

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I'm assuming these citations are from a previous year's case book? I don't see them in the current book, and quoted rules citations are inaccurate. (Rule 3 Section 4 has 5 articles, not 15). What year's book are you referencing, or is this an interpretation from somewhere else?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post546075

Got ya, thank you.

I don't know if this applies to the original scenario or not. What it does show is that if you pull off any kind of warm up, you must have the jersey underneath. As far as adding the jersey without taking anything off? It appears that the rule, cases, and interpretation are centered around removing items in the visual confines, not so much about adding them.

For the record, I think the intent of that interpretation is that teams must warm up in the game jersey, and will from here on out interpret it as such. I don't mean to be overly nit-picky, I just don't see the clear connection in the rules to this scenario.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I think the intent of that interpretation is that teams must warm up in the game jersey, and will from here on out interpret it as such.

Even if they warm up in their warmups and go into the locker room to change into their jerseys before the game starts?

I believe that this (below) is the intent:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is it the intent of the NFHS that players not show any underwear (undershirt), or skin, within the visual confines of the playing area, before, or during the game (under the jurisdiction of the officials)?

But I gave up trying to understand some NFHS rule and interpretation (see backcourt simultaneous last to touch, first to touch) oddities a long time ago.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by frezer11

What it does show is that if you pull off any kind of warm up, you must have the jersey underneath.

I do not see where it shows that.

Is it the intent of the NFHS that players not show any underwear (undershirt), or skin, within the visual confines of the playing area, before, or during the game (under the jurisdiction of the officials)?

I feel it is skin.

[Big_Blue_Wannabe]

Originally Posted by bucky

I feel it is skin.

The facts don’t care about your feelings.


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[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bucky

I do not see where it shows that.

See Bob's Post #12 above, Situation 4.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by frezer11

See Bob's Post #12 above, Situation 4.

I did and still do not see where it shows that. I read it as the warm up top comes off to reveal bare skin. I do not read that it requires the jersey be underneath. Just my opinion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bucky

I did and still do not see where it shows that. I read it as the warm up top comes off to reveal bare skin. I do not read that it requires the jersey be underneath. Just my opinion.

I do not believe that it is the bare skin that matters. It is the doffing and/or donning of the jersey itself. Consider the case where a player gets blood on a jersey but has an undershirt on too. That player still has to exit the gym to change the jersey.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I don't know if this applies to the original scenario or not. What it does show is that if you pull off any kind of warm up, you must have the jersey underneath. As far as adding the jersey without taking anything off? It appears that the rule, cases, and interpretation are centered around removing items in the visual confines, not so much about adding them.

I think the case play is assuming that the players had on ONLY the warmup tops, and not a t-shirt or something underneath.

IIRC (and my memory might be as faulty as Billy's), this all started with VB where the girls would (and still usually do) wear warmup tops, and then change into the jerseys later. They would do this at the bench, showing the sports-bras to all the HS boys.

So, imo, if the player is wearing the proper undershirt and then adds a jersey, that seems fine to me.

Once the jersey is on, though, it stays on.

[KCref11]

[QUOTE=bob jenkins;1015117
IIRC (and my memory might be as faulty as Billy's), this all started with VB where the girls would (and still usually do) wear warmup tops, and then change into the jerseys later. They would do this at the bench, showing the sports-bras to all the HS boys.
[/QUOTE]

This was the only reason I attended girls VB games back in the day. That and spandex shorts

[BillyMac]

For the good of the cause:

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Changes
3-4-15 Prohibits a team member from removing his/her jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area. The penalty is a technical foul.

COMMENTS ON THE 2005-06 RULES REVISIONS
JERSEYS/PANTS/SKIRTS PROHIBITED FROM BEING REMOVED (3-4-15, 10-3-7h, 10-4-1h): A team member is prohibited from removing his/her jersey and/or pants/skirt within the confines of the playing area. The penalty is a technical foul. The former uniform rule didn't require team members to actually wear the team uniform. This addition also addresses a growing behavioral concern of players removing their jerseys to demonstrate frustration or anger and as a means of attracting individual attention. The rule is intended to be applied in all situations - even when a player must change uniforms due to blood or other unusual circumstances. It is not unreasonable to expect team members to go to their locker rooms to change their jerseys.

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Points Of Emphasis
1) Sporting Behavior
A) Uniforms
Players are increasingly using their uniforms in unsporting ways. Examples include: Holding the uniforms out from the chest area to display the team name to the opponent or fans; pulling the uniform out of the shorts in an emotional display; and removing the jersey either on the court or near the team bench, especially after a disqualification. The committee expects jerseys to be worn properly and remain on. New Rule 3-4-15 adds, “A player shall not remove the jersey and/or pants/skirt in the confines of the playing area”. The result is a technical foul. Uniforms must be worn as intended and the rule must be enforced. The jersey must be tucked in and the shorts must be worn properly. When a player is in violation of the rule, the player is directed to leave the game. While an untucked jersey during the normal course of play is understandable until it can be corrected, too often there are multiple warnings for clear violations. Coaches bear great responsibility in ensuring uniforms stay on team members. Official must enforce the rule.