Duke @ BC play at end of the game

[Pantherdreams]

The call as it stands is a good one. Jersey grab, late game. I’m ok with that call every time.

If there is a problem, it is with the previous attempts to foul and playing on. Duke is clearly chasing the ball down to foul,while attempting to be making a basketball play. After multiple slaps at th3 ball leadin* to arm and body contact, The only whistle they can get us on the non basketball play leading to the FF. The intent of the rule requiring defense to make a basketball play needs to be put in the context of the offense making basketball plays. Dribbling away from players with no intent to attack basket and now no one being able to foul you because you are dribbling at speed in wrong directions so they can’t make a legitimate play on the ball is not the spirit of the rule either. Making the defense commit a game like foul while offense is no longer playing game like basketball seems like a burden. If offense is not moving forward and trying to score, regular advantage disadvantage cannot be the standard because nothing short of excessive non basketball contact is going to eliminate their ability to dribble away with their back turned. Everyone knows what’s going on, If defense makes the attempt within the guidelines just put a quick whistle on it and move on.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

The call as it stands is a good one. Jersey grab, late game. I’m ok with that call every time.

If there is a problem, it is with the previous attempts to foul and playing on. Duke is clearly chasing the ball down to foul,while attempting to be making a basketball play. After multiple slaps at th3 ball leadin* to arm and body contact, The only whistle they can get us on the non basketball play leading to the FF. The intent of the rule requiring defense to make a basketball play needs to be put in the context of the offense making basketball plays. Dribbling away from players with no intent to attack basket and now no one being able to foul you because you are dribbling at speed in wrong directions so they can’t make a legitimate play on the ball is not the spirit of the rule either. Making the defense commit a game like foul while offense is no longer playing game like basketball seems like a burden. If offense is not moving forward and trying to score, regular advantage disadvantage cannot be the standard because nothing short of excessive non basketball contact is going to eliminate their ability to dribble away with their back turned. Everyone knows what’s going on, If defense makes the attempt within the guidelines just put a quick whistle on it and move on.

None of those things actually affected the dribbler, so there's no foul to call, IMO. If the offense was just standing still waiting to be fouled, call it and give both teams what they want. But Duke couldn't catch the kid, so I'm not going to give them a gift-wrapped foul call.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Adam

None of those things actually affected the dribbler, so there's no foul to call, IMO. If the offense was just standing still waiting to be fouled, call it and give both teams what they want. But Duke couldn't catch the kid, so I'm not going to give them a gift-wrapped foul call.

Fair but how do you make a regular basketball play that disadvantages someone who doesn’t want to go to basket, wants to burn clock, plays with back to rim and wants to play through slaps? Only way to catch rim and get to ball will not look like a basketball play. IMO intent of rule was not to allow teams to run out clock by playing keep away and running away from defense.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Fair but how do you make a regular basketball play that disadvantages someone who doesn’t want to go to basket, wants to burn clock, plays with back to rim and wants to play through slaps? Only way to catch rim and get to ball will not look like a basketball play. IMO intent of rule was not to allow teams to run out clock by playing keep away and running away from defense.

They could, gasp, actually go hard for the ball. If they're not good enough to foul a dribbler, that is on them.

As for playing keep away, that is what the shot clock is for. They only have 30 seconds to use if they want it. They don't have a full half to use like some teams would do in the past.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They could, gasp, actually go hard for the ball. If they're not good enough to foul a dribbler, that is on them.

As for playing keep away, that is what the shot clock is for. They only have 30 seconds to use if they want it. They don't have a full half to use like some teams would do in the past.

I agree just find it interesting.

POE this year in FIBA is calling unsportsmanlike fouls when teams do not make a play on the ball to commit fouls.

In my mind I struggle with, if a player can turn their back and move away from me and how can defense commit a foul that is a play on the ball that disadvantages them without blatantly taking out their body or wrapping them up.

If the standard is you have to foul making a basket play on ball but the offensive player is now not making basketball plays what does d do?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I agree just find it interesting.

POE this year in FIBA is calling unsportsmanlike fouls when teams do not make a play on the ball to commit fouls.

In my mind I struggle with, if a player can turn their back and move away from me and how can defense commit a foul that is a play on the ball that disadvantages them without blatantly taking out their body or wrapping them up.

If the standard is you have to foul making a basket play on ball but the offensive player is now not making basketball plays what does d do?

Why do you struggle with the fact that a player on defense from the team which is trailing has difficulty doing something which is illegal in order to attempt to gain an advantage or a favorable outcome for his team (stop the clock/make the opponent make FTs)?

Here's an idea--play better earlier and don't be behind late in the game.

My opinion is that the team which is leading should have the benefit late in the game. Why? Because they've earned it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do you struggle with the fact that a player on defense from the team which is trailing has difficulty doing something which is illegal in order to attempt to gain an advantage or a favorable outcome for his team (stop the clock/make the opponent make FTs)?

Here's an idea--play better earlier and don't be behind late in the game.

My opinion is that the team which is leading should have the benefit late in the game. Why? Because they've earned it.

I agree with the distinguished gentleman from the land of silver.