Odd Looking Play in Duke Game

[Spence]

Duke big man has the ball at top of key. Duke guard coming to get the ball behind the big man but he's being pressured by Purdue defender. He stops to try to get away from his defender. Duke big man thinks he's coming behind him and "drops" the ball to the floor. Duke big man then realizes the Duke guard is not there and picks it up.

Would the "drop" constitute a dribble? He didn't push it or tap it. He literally (intentionally) dropped it. He had not used his dribble prior to this pass/drop.

Anything?

[fiasco]

Not to hijack your thread, but I noticed another strange play in the game. Purdue guard in the corner jumps for a shot, Duke player flies in for the block. Purdue guard pushes the ball to the floor in mid air, lands, then dribbles.

No call.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Not to hijack your thread, but I noticed another strange play in the game. Purdue guard in the corner jumps for a shot, Duke player flies in for the block. Purdue guard pushes the ball to the floor in mid air, lands, then dribbles.

No call.

I saw that one as well. Sometimes even the top guys miss the obvious ones.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Spence

Duke big man has the ball at top of key. Duke guard coming to get the ball behind the big man but he's being pressured by Purdue defender. He stops to try to get away from his defender. Duke big man thinks he's coming behind him and "drops" the ball to the floor. Duke big man then realizes the Duke guard is not there and picks it up.

Would the "drop" constitute a dribble? He didn't push it or tap it. He literally (intentionally) dropped it. He had not used his dribble prior to this pass/drop.

Anything?

Consider it a dribble, it's exactly why I say a ball does not have to be pushed, batted, or thrown to the floor to start a dribble. It can also be dropped.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Spence

I saw that one as well. Sometimes even the top guys miss the obvious ones.

True true! Not that mistakes are acceptable, but it sure makes me feel better about myself!

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Not to hijack your thread, but I noticed another strange play in the game. Purdue guard in the corner jumps for a shot, Duke player flies in for the block. Purdue guard pushes the ball to the floor in mid air, lands, then dribbles.

No call.

I missed one of these in a Jr High game last weekend! I guess I missed it....but I bet I won't again!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Consider it a dribble, it's exactly why I say a ball does not have to be pushed, batted, or thrown to the floor to start a dribble. It can also be dropped.

I would agree. Tentatively. I wonder what "interesting" side-effects such a change to the definition would create.

[AKOFL]

so B1 is recieving a pass on the run. It is a little out of reach. so he reaches out and swats it out of the air to the floor then procedes to pic it up and start his dribble. Is this double dribble?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I would agree. Tentatively. I wonder what "interesting" side-effects such a change to the definition would create.

Mainly player control. Wait, maybe not. You can't drop it until you've had control. Never mind.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

so B1 is recieving a pass on the run. It is a little out of reach. so he reaches out and swats it out of the air to the floor then procedes to pic it up and start his dribble. Is this double dribble?

It's a judgment call. If you judge that B1 was in control of the ball when he swatted it out of the air, and thus began a dribble, then yes. If you judge that the swat was part of his attempt to gain control of the ball, then no. IMHO, if it's not obviously the first case, assume the second.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mainly player control. Wait, maybe not. You can't drop it until you've had control. Never mind.

There may be some muddiness about whether a player who "abandons" the ball by dropping it and walking away has actually begun a dribble. And it would seem to invite all the same arguments about whether it's a dribble before it's touched the second time.

Could it introduce any confusion about whether an action was a fumble, or because of the changed definition, a dribble?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

It's a judgment call. If you judge that B1 was in control of the ball when he swatted it out of the air, and thus began a dribble, then yes. If you judge that the swat was part of his attempt to gain control of the ball, then no. IMHO, if it's not obviously the first case, assume the second.

I'm new. What's IMHO. U don't want to know what I think it is.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I'm new. What's IMHO. U don't want to know what I think it is.

LOL, probably not.

IMHO = In my humble opinion.

There are a few others you'll see sometimes as well:
IIRC - If I recall correctly
AFAIK - As far as I know
YMMV - Your mileage may vary
OP - Original post, original poster
LOL - Laughing out loud
IOW - In other words

[AKOFL]

Thanks. I never thought at 34 i would be old school. I mean reading in full sentences. I new i should of cut more corners in school. LOL (u like that)

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Thanks. I never thought at 34 i would be old school. I mean reading in full sentences. I new i should of cut more corners in school. LOL (u like that)

Full sentences? That's, like, way too many words.

You think you're old school now? Give it another couple more years. We'll be holding captains meetings via text message while the crew is dressing and the captains are shooting layups in warmups with their free hand. Of course, the U2 will have to conduct the meeting. It'll take too long for the crusty old R to figure out how to send a text message.