HIJAB ISSUE IN MARYLAND PLAYOFF GAME

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

You aren't asking them to prove their religion. You're asking them to prove they followed the rules which any decent coach would've done the second he knew he had a player wearing a head covering.

I'll admit this -- I would've likely made a phone call during warmups.

Hadn't thought of it (probably because I'm studying for series 7 right now), but I like that better than my idea.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Hadn't thought of it (probably because I'm studying for series 7 right now), but I like that better than my idea.

No guarantee that I'd get the right person on the other end of the phone, either. In which case, I'd simply follow the rule.

"Do you have a waiver from the state office?" The answer to that question would guide my next decision.

We had a player in a hijab this year. The coach BROUGHT ME the waiver.

I feel for the officials who are being ridiculed for doing what they're supposed to do -- follow the rules.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

No guarantee that I'd get the right person on the other end of the phone, either. In which case, I'd simply follow the rule.

"Do you have a waiver from the state office?" The answer to that question would guide my next decision.

We had a player in a hijab this year. The coach BROUGHT ME the waiver.

I feel for the officials who are being ridiculed for doing what they're supposed to do -- follow the rules.

Had a player with a medical device (at least thats what i think it was) and the team had a waiver that stipulated it had to be taped over.

Anyone else, like CJP, is just making excuses. If you don't want to do it, that's fine, I don't care, don't justify it with straw men arguments.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by deecee

Had a player with a medical device (at least thats what i think it was) and the team had a waiver that stipulated it had to be taped over.

Anyone else, like CJP, is just making excuses. If you don't want to do it, that's fine, I don't care, don't justify it with straw men arguments.

No waiver needed for medical alert or religious medal. Nice strawman though. lol

[deecee]

Originally Posted by CJP

No waiver needed for medical alert or religious medal. Nice strawman though. lol

If you are an official I would say your association needs to train you better. I'm guessing you are not. Your reading comprehension is awful. Medical alert is NOT a medical device. Even these need to be taped up.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by CJP

No waiver needed for medical alert or religious medal. Nice strawman though. lol

But tape required, lol.

[nolanjj68]

Originally Posted by cjp

i am not asking for it. The kid would have played and none of this would have happened. No one would have mentioned it just like no one mentioned illegal headbands in the state championship game shown on the other thread.

The fact is that there is a religious exception for covering a players head. I am not going to ask someone to prove their religion. That is just me.

this.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by nolanjj68

this.

You left out the word "not".

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You left out the word "not".

Grow up. The state association agreed that the kid should have played.

[Altor]

The State Association better watch what they say. The NFHS has been known to pull seats from rules committees when states don't enforce rules.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by CJP

Grow up.

Are you humor impaired?

Originally Posted by CJP

The state association agreed that the kid should have played.

I don't think you get it. Yes, the kid should have played.

But, when you're talking about varsity basketball, particularly state tournaments, there is a right way to do things and a wrong way. That is why the rules exist and a process exists to obtain a waiver. The coach should have asked for the permission to play. The state almost certainly would have granted it. It is not the official's job to set aside rules because the others botched their job.

In every state tournament I've been part of we have been explicitly told to enforce any and all uniform requirements and, if we don't, expect that it will impact our chances of advancing. While it is certainly not the only criteria, why would any official ignore what they've been explicitly told to do when they're told it will negatively impact them.

The coach and state botched this one, not the officials. They did the job they were hired to do. I would expect the coach and state to do theirs.

[Texref]

I'm doing exactly as CJP. Let her play. If anyone has a problem with it I'll tell them to file a complaint. I will let my chapter know after the game and they can deal with it.

An aside to the uniform rules, at the state tournament here, they specifically tell the officials not to worry about uniform issues such as headbands. Knowing that, I'm definitely not addressing this issue. And if I'm not the R and in your crew and you want to enforce it, I will voice my disagreement but will support you by not saying a word or being anywhere near the conversation with the coach, that is all you. If I'm the R, we are not addressing it and she is playing.

[grunewar]

Story was on the local news tonight.

They never mentioned the fact that the rule has been there for a long time, just never enforced. They just leave it hanging that these refs used "bad judgement" enforcing the rule in this game.