Part 2 test

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No ROP - Player technical foul.

ROP (second delay) - Team technical foul.

Doesn't seem right?

It's the rule following Timeouts. Resumption of play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

It's the rule following Timeouts. Resumption of play.

I (almost) fully understand Resumption of Play procedure. I just don't understand the penalty phase, team technical, or player technical.

This (original thread) case: After a timeout, free throw shooter delays, ball is placed on the floor, ten second violation is called, free throw shooter still delays ("for the second time"), team technical foul is charged.

A different case: Not after a timeout, free throw shooter delays, player technical foul is charged.

How about a reference that the team, not a player, is always charged with technical foul in the ROP procedure? Please.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How about a reference that the team, not a player, is always charged with technical foul in the ROP procedure? Please.

Is this (below) what you guys are hanging your hat on (for a team technical rather than a player technical)?

Following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play
procedure may be used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the
whistle to indicate play will resume. The ball shall be placed at the disposal of the
thrower or placed on the floor and the count shall begin. Either or both teams may
be charged with a violation. Following a violation by one or both teams, if the
offending team(s) continues to delay, a technical foul shall be ruled.

Is it the fact that "offending team" and "technical foul" are found in the same sentence?

I was using this (below) as after timeout a technical foul is not charged immediately, but rather, the ball is first placed at the disposal of the free throw shooter (that's the resumption-of-play procedure), then the player technical foul is charged.

A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as:
The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is
ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure
is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

Along with this (below) (I'm aware that this isn't a ROP):

Since this situation is not a throw-in or following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play
procedure shall not be used. If the free thrower is not in the semicircle when the
administering official is ready, a technical foul is charged to the free thrower.

So, I'm back to this (below)?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No ROP - Player technical foul.

ROP (second delay) - Team technical foul.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is this (below) what you guys are hanging your hat on (for a team technical rather than a player technical)?

Following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play
procedure may be used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the
whistle to indicate play will resume. The ball shall be placed at the disposal of the
thrower or placed on the floor and the count shall begin. Either or both teams may
be charged with a violation. Following a violation by one or both teams, if the
offending team(s) continues to delay, a technical foul shall be ruled.

Is it the fact that "offending team" and "technical foul" are found in the same sentence?

I was using this (below) as after timeout a technical foul is not charged immediately, but rather, the ball is first placed at the disposal of the free throw shooter (that's the resumption-of-play procedure), then the player technical foul is charged.

A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as:
The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is
ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure
is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

Along with this (below) (I'm aware that this isn't a ROP):

Since this situation is not a throw-in or following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play
procedure shall not be used. If the free thrower is not in the semicircle when the
administering official is ready, a technical foul is charged to the free thrower.

So, I'm back to this (below)?

You need to get a current rule book. 8-1-2 says it is a "team technical."
That is why...it is a team technical. You have not quoted the current 8-1-2. Yours is an older version.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

You need to get a current rule book. 8-1-2 says it is a "team technical."
That is why...it is a team technical. You have not quoted the current 8-1-2. Yours is an older version.

Pick a prize from the top shelf.

Thanks for your due diligence. I was too lazy to get my current book (printed on dead trees) in my bag in another room. My digital version, on my computer, is a few years old.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Pick a prize from the top shelf.

Thanks for your due diligence. I was too lazy to get my current book (printed on dead trees) in my bag in another room. My digital version, on my computer, is a few years old.

You can buy another one for $6 and have it on your phone...unless your phone is rotary dialed...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

You can buy another one for $6 and have it on your phone...unless your phone is rotary dialed...

Close, it's a flip phone.

I don't get a signal at work (basement, lots of electronics), and I get a poor signal at home, (mountain between me and the cell tower, I only get a weak signal by my second floor bedroom window). I just use my flip phone in the car on my daily commute.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

... unless your phone is rotary dialed...

About fifteen years ago, before I retired from teaching, I was supervising a group of student volunteers at a bloodmobile at the local Moose Lodge. One student asked to use the phone, that was located in another room. The student came back stating that he didn't know how to use the phone. It was a rotary phone.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I (almost) fully understand Resumption of Play procedure. I just don't understand the penalty phase, team technical, or player technical.

This (original thread) case: After a timeout, free throw shooter delays, ball is placed on the floor, ten second violation is called, free throw shooter still delays ("for the second time"), team technical foul is charged.

A different case: Not after a timeout, free throw shooter delays, player technical foul is charged.

How about a reference that the team, not a player, is always charged with technical foul in the ROP procedure? Please.

8-1-2. It SAYS it is a TEAM technical, if the team that violated initially, A on the first FT, continues to delay.

Now, keep in mind, if A1 is just being an ass i believe you always have the option of calling something unsporting and giving A1 a T. Or if the coach is audibly being an ass telling A1 not to go in there you can always give him one for being unsporting.