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Old Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:49pm
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You (probably) have to gather before you can begin the try, but just because you gather doesn't mean you have started the try.

And, just because historically too many have been "waved off" doesn't mean that all benefit of the doubt should go to the offense.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:26am
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You (probably) have to gather before you can begin the try, but just because you gather doesn't mean you have started the try.

And, just because historically too many have been "waved off" doesn't mean that all benefit of the doubt should go to the offense.
Agree.

AR 111 NCAA men and rules require arms to be going up…raising the ball. "This act of shooting motion does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball or advancing on the court with one or both feet."
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Well in NF Rules the gather is only used as a line of demarcation. Outside of that we have not specific reference to when we start the habitual motion. But in college (Men's') they want this upward motion standard. I think a lot of officials try not to split hairs.

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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:39am
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This one looks like the official is letting the offensive player play through some initial contact, but then calls the continued contact on the arm and judges it to be on the shot. I would count this basket 100/100. And 95/100 times the opposing coach would make some reference to the NBA.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:48am
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NCAA-M: In regular speed I thought it was clearly before the act of shooting (arms in the upward motion), however the last view in slow motion, shows #15 with his hand on the ball and then taking it off and striking the arm as the shooter is attempting to rise his arms to shoot. I actually really like that this was counted (again, using NCAA-M) based on the officials view. I wouldn't argue either way, but I agree/side with the official on this.
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Old Mon Feb 29, 2016, 10:56am
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Our association wants shots if the player has gathere the ball. So unless the player does something other than shoot after te foul, you better be administering free throws. (NFHS)

It'd s good starting point but I don't think it should be an absolute.
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