Another Euro Step (Video)

[JRutledge]

Is this a travel?



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[SNIPERBBB]

Looks good to me. I do not think you can call the right foot the pivot foot in order to make that a travel in NFHS

[gunz722]

In real speed I don't think you can really tell. It looks like he is going to take another dribble, but then cradles the ball instead. At that point the right foot is the pivot foot in my opinion so I would say he traveled on this move. I don't think I would have called it during a game though because he made me think he was going to take one more dribble.


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[APG]

Legal under NBA rules...in fact, he could have stepped with the left foot if he wanted.

In fact, I'd judged this legal under all rule sets

[Mr.C]

Real speed I think he is ok, too close to call when you slow it down----so I would call him ok at the game

[BigCat]

I think his left hand is under the ball when his right foot is on the floor. He's ended the dribble at that moment. In high school and college i think this is technically travel.

In college, there's a case play that says benefit of doubt in ending the dribble goes to the player. I would not call this travel in a college game. I know if I did I'd be the only one calling it. It doesn't do the game any good if only one guy is calling it. It's close so allow it. In college it is becoming accepted to the point that each side believes its legal. There's no issues from allowing it at that level. Only when its called on one end and not the other do problems arise.

In a high school game id have to see what else was called. When its this close and smooth i'm apt to allow it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I think his left hand is under the ball when his right foot is on the floor. He's ended the dribble at that moment. In high school and college i think this is technically travel.

In college, there's a case play that says benefit of doubt in ending the dribble goes to the player. I would not call this travel in a college game. I know if I did I'd be the only one calling it. It doesn't do the game any good if only one guy is calling it. It's close so allow it. In college it is becoming accepted to the point that each side believes its legal. There's no issues from allowing it at that level. Only when its called on one end and not the other do problems arise.

In a high school game id have to see what else was called. When its this close and smooth i'm apt to allow it.

Bingo. Even at the HS level, if both teams expect it to be legal when they have the ball, why blow the whistle?

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Rich

Bingo. Even at the HS level, if both teams expect it to be legal when they have the ball, why blow the whistle?

Because coaches and fans "expect" a lot of things to be legal or illegal and that is not the basis for what should and shouldn't be called?

Saw this live the other night and thought of the forum. I also thought it was a legal move and still do.

[SNIPERBBB]

Both teams would be out of starters after the first half if we did that.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Because coaches and fans "expect" a lot of things to be legal or illegal and that is not the basis for what should and shouldn't be called?

Saw this live the other night and thought of the forum. I also thought it was a legal move and still do.

Let me try to be clearer -- I'm a proponent of saving the whistle for things that really need a whistle. I've watched other officials call 10 travels in a half and if you did film analysis you'd find that 4-5 of them were borderline or weren't travels at all.

The "looking to catch someone in a travel" mentality puzzles me.

Sure, the opposing coach is going to "think" this is a travel -- they yell TRAVEL on everything even when they don't really know. But when his kid does the exact same thing he thinks it's perfectly legal.

I'm not saying we'll call everything based on what the coaches think, but I'm guessing that 95% of the travels I call....both coaches in their heart-of-hearts know it's a travel.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Rich

The "looking to catch someone in a travel" mentality puzzles me.

Sure, the opposing coach is going to "think" this is a travel -- they yell TRAVEL on everything even when they don't really know. But when his kid does the exact same thing he thinks it's perfectly legal.

I'm not saying we'll call everything based on what the coaches think, but I'm guessing that 95% of the travels I call....both coaches in their heart-of-hearts know it's a travel.

Agree completely.

[jeremy341a]

The Euro step in hs is the great majority of the the time a travel. However it is difficult at full speed to catch the end of the dribble so it has become expected that it is always legal. Makes me with we would go to two steps after the gather. Most everyone but officials already believe that is the rule anyways.