Continuous/Upward Motion (Video)
What does everyone think about this play?
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/l0I8L-Gch_k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Peace |
I think it was very generous.
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The foul was definitely after he gathered!
:D We had a few discussions on this forum centering around the act of shooting and gathering the ball. I consistently argued that the gather had nothing to do with starting the act of shooting, but that sentiment wasn't shared by several posters. |
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In my high school game, he's in the act of shooting.
NFHS 4-11-2: If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight. |
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once you've gathered the ball in layup steps, it's in the act. criminal to take points off the board for the fouled time with a foul call when you can help it.
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HS shooting. NCAAM not shooting.
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I don't understand all this talk about "gathering".
Billy cited the rule, and the word "gather", nor any other form of the word, appears. It's all about the official's judgment on when the player started the shooting motion. Some will say he started that motion, some will say he hasn't. But thinking about it in terms of when he gathered the ball seems incorrect. |
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The original video was an NCAA game. Of course, being a journeyman high school basketball official, I know more about Epistemology than I do about NCAA basketball rules. |
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Rule 5 Art 10 The try starts when the player begins the motion that normally precedes the release of the ball on a try. The ball does not need to leave the player's hand. the arm might be held so that the player cannot throw; however, he may be making an attempt. Taking a step after the foul then attempting a shot is clearly not a motion preceding the release of the ball on a try. There have also been a video or 2 released showing this exact type of play and the required adjudication is not a shooting foul. |
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But to me you cannot start the motion until you gather or we are splitting hairs. But this was also a college play where they have defined more as to what should be a shot with the "upward motion" philosophy. I do not like that rule, but to me this player was not in his upward motion before the foul. Peace |
I think its possible, if not likely, that the officials pass on the initial foul that most are probably seeing. The last contact by 15 is, to me, clearly on the way up to the hoop, after all steps have been taken. If that's the one they decide to penalize, then I think there's no issue here. Based on when the officials react in the video, it seems likely to me that that is the call they are making.
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