Continous/Upward Motion

[Freddy]

Three thoughts come to my mind (a dangerous place to linger) as I ponder the discussion regarding the issue proposed by the OP:
1) "Upward motion" is no longer relevant--not anymore at least from what I've heard regarding NCAAM and never was in NFHS. Right?
2) I'm still contemplating a point I brought up several years ago, that what we're really discussing here isn't "continuous motion", but "act of shooting." I don't expect anyone to care about what I might or might not consider the difference, but I'm trying for my own self to determine if that approach lends clarity to the issue of when the act of shooting began.
3) The "gather", if that term is used, is simply an attempt to make concrete in the mind an action in the act of shooting that otherwise might remain abstract and unreal. Critics of the use of that term could be challenged to come up with another word to make this abstract concept a concrete benchmark in as effective a way. I'm open for other words to do it.
I thank the original poster for this opportunity to think today.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Three thoughts come to my mind (a dangerous place to linger) as I ponder the discussion regarding the issue proposed by the OP:
1) "Upward motion" is no longer relevant--not anymore at least from what I've heard regarding NCAAM and never was in NFHS. Right?

Upward motion still applies in college but it no longer applies to if we give a block or charge. It still applies to shooting fouls as of last year according to all the videos. I have not seen much this year addressing a change but other language still applies.

Peace

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Upward motion still applies in college but it no longer applies to if we give a block or charge. It still applies to shooting fouls as of last year according to all the videos. I have not seen much this year addressing a change but other language still applies.

Peace

Ahhhhh, thank you for updating me on that! I see the difference between what I thought and what you're talking about now.

[bob jenkins]

You (probably) have to gather before you can begin the try, but just because you gather doesn't mean you have started the try.

And, just because historically too many have been "waved off" doesn't mean that all benefit of the doubt should go to the offense.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You (probably) have to gather before you can begin the try, but just because you gather doesn't mean you have started the try.

And, just because historically too many have been "waved off" doesn't mean that all benefit of the doubt should go to the offense.

Agree.

AR 111 NCAA men and rules require arms to be going up…raising the ball. "This act of shooting motion does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball or advancing on the court with one or both feet."

[JRutledge]

Well in NF Rules the gather is only used as a line of demarcation. Outside of that we have not specific reference to when we start the habitual motion. But in college (Men's') they want this upward motion standard. I think a lot of officials try not to split hairs.

Peace

[ballgame99]

This one looks like the official is letting the offensive player play through some initial contact, but then calls the continued contact on the arm and judges it to be on the shot. I would count this basket 100/100. And 95/100 times the opposing coach would make some reference to the NBA.