Video Req - CSU/Boise St - Buzzer Beater waved off....stopwatch used?

[Nevadaref]

The above post reverses what was stated below in this previous release.

I had to laugh at the comment attributed to DVSport stating that its system worked correctly when we can all see that it didn't. (deleted)

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Mountain West: Refs made right call in Boise State vs. CSU game

Matt L. Stephens, [email protected] 4:10 p.m. MST February 11, 2016

[Removed this video as it appears in a prior post in this thread.]

Official stopwatch replay video of controversial ending of the first overtime between Boise State and Colorado State on Wednesday at Moby Arena. Mountain West

(Photo: Ron Chenoy/USA TODAY Sports)

The referees made the correct call. That's the official statement coming from the Mountain West on Thursday, after carefully reviewing the controversial overturned call at the end of the first overtime between Boise State and CSU on Wednesday at Moby Arena.

There were 0.8 seconds remaining when Boise State's Anthony Drmic inbounded to James Webb III. Webb appeared to have made a miraculous game-winning 3-pointer, getting the ball out of his hands with 0.4 seconds showing on the clock, but after going to the monitor, the officiating crew used a stopwatch system to determine that the clock started late and that the play took closer to 1.3 seconds; therefore, the basket did not count. The video of that play and the overlay officials used is above.
CONTROVERSY: Breaking down finish between Boise State, CSU
That ruling was correct, the Mountain West office said in a news release. David Hall, Verne Harris and Tom O'Neill used the correct protocol to fix the timing error.

"The Mountain West Coordinator of Officials, the NCAA National Coordinator of Officials, the NCAA Secretary-Rules Editor and the MW Conference office have reviewed the play extensively and consulted on the administration of the video review. It has been determined the game officials executed the appropriate protocol and made the correct call.
It is standard procedure to review potential game-ending baskets and the game officials came to their determination utilizing the official video and embedded clock technology within the approved multi-camera capture instant replay system. ...
It is clear 1.2 to 1.3 seconds elapsed from the time the player touched the ball to the time the shot was released, and that the game clock did not start for several tenths of a second after the initial touch. Thus, the basket did not count – regardless of what was ultimately reflected on the game clock or what other unofficial video replays may appear to indicate.
Finally, some question has been raised regarding the preceding play, where Colorado State turned the ball over. The Mountain West has also reviewed that play utilizing the official replay system and determined the clock stopped correctly at 0.8 second(s) once the official blew his whistle for the backcourt violation. His whistle stopped the clock automatically via the Precision Timing System at that instant."

But when watching the video, it appears to (sic) stopwatch time is moving faster that the arena's clock. The Coloradoan contacted DVSport, which said its system worked correctly and that all questions should be directed to the Mountain West Conference. The conference has not commented about the stopwatch's speed.
CSU won the game 97-93 in double overtime.
For insight and analysis on athletics around Northern Colorado and the Mountain West, follow sports columnist Matt L. Stephens at twitter.com/mattstephens and facebook.com/stephensreporting.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I had to laugh at the comment attributed to DVSport stating that its system worked correctly when we can all see that it didn't.

I think what DVSport is saying is the system worked properly given the video clip that was used, which is correct. They're putting it back on the video coordinator and the officials for either not noticing it was a slo-mo clip or not asking the people in the truck to only use regular-speed clips.

Yeah it's semantics but they have a product to protect.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I think what DVSport is saying is the system worked properly given the video clip that was used, which is correct. They're putting it back on the video coordinator and the officials for either not noticing it was a slo-mo clip or not asking the people in the truck to only use regular-speed clips.

Yeah it's semantics but they have a product to protect.

Agree...they may be right, that their system worked correctly. The operator of the equipment may be required to configure it for the format of the video being fed to it. If so, then it could be operator error (the video production crew, not the officials), not a software bug.

[Raymond]

Update: New interp for Men's and Women's.

"Due to a recent technological issue which arose during an instant replay review, the men’s and women’s rules committees are issuing this interpretation for the use of the stopwatch in future games. When it is necessary to correct a timing mistake by the use of a stopwatch, only the digital stopwatch provided to the timer per Rule 2-10.1 may be used by the officials. The use of any other clock or timing device (including those that may be seen on instant replay equipment) is not authorized."

[deecee]

Here is the full excerpt. Not sure if they are doubling down are providing an escape clause.

"Per Rule 2
-
10.1 the official timer must be provided with a digital stopwatch for use by the
timers and
officials during the course of the game to correct timing errors. For example:
1.
The game clock is stopped when it should have been running.
2.
The officials believe the game clock failed to start correctly when the ball was legally
touched by an i
nbounds player who then releases the ball for a successful try.
3.
The timer fails to start the game clock correctly.
4.
To determine the amount of time to put back on the shot clock when the shot clock operator
mistakenly resets the shot clock.
These are exa
mples only and do not exhaust the possibilities for other uses of the digital stopwatch.
Due to a recent technological issue which arose during an instant replay review, the men’s and
women’s rules committees are issuing this interpretation for the use of
the stopwatch in future games.
When it is necessary to correct a timing mistake by the use of a stopwatch, only the digital stopwatch
provided to the timer per Rule 2
-
10.1 may be used by the officials. The use of any other clock or timing
device (includin
g those that may be seen on instant replay equipment) is not authorized.
This interpretation is not intended nor does it replace or retract the ability of an official to correct other
timing mistakes by using an on
-
screen game clock display being shown o
n an instant replay monitor
as long as the display is synchronized with the game clock or is an actual live picture of the game
clock. Rule 11-1.1"

[bob jenkins]

I am more-than-a-little confused on when to use the digital stopwatch and when to use the video timer. I'd expect a few questions on next year's test about this.

And, despite the clearly stated "the timer must have a digital stop watch, not a phone, not a second hand on a watch" -- I wonder how often that is actually followed at the D-2 and D-3 levels (of course, the use of monitors is relatively rare at those levels as well).

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I am more-than-a-little confused on when to use the digital stopwatch and when to use the video timer. I'd expect a few questions on next year's test about this.

And, despite the clearly stated "the timer must have a digital stop watch, not a phone, not a second hand on a watch" -- I wonder how often that is actually followed at the D-2 and D-3 levels (of course, the use of monitors is relatively rare at those levels as well).

I doubt it is ever followed at D3 level since there are not many, if any, that use video review. However, at least around here, that has changed. Recently a crew used the live stream feed, and yes the computer was at a table within 12 feet of the court, to decide if a shot at the end of regulation was good or not. Since then, the league has issued a memo that using this application is only allowed for game ending shots. None of the other replay situations can be used in their games.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I am more-than-a-little confused on when to use the digital stopwatch and when to use the video timer. I'd expect a few questions on next year's test about this.

And, despite the clearly stated "the timer must have a digital stop watch, not a phone, not a second hand on a watch" -- I wonder how often that is actually followed at the D-2 and D-3 levels (of course, the use of monitors is relatively rare at those levels as well).

Originally Posted by johnny d

I doubt it is ever followed at D3 level since there are not many, if any, that use video review. However, at least around here, that has changed. Recently a crew used the live stream feed, and yes the computer was at a table within 12 feet of the court, to decide if a shot at the end of regulation was good or not. Since then, the league has issued a memo that using this application is only allowed for game ending shots. None of the other replay situations can be used in their games.

If you work in any D2/D3 conferences where the NCAAW's SRE is within arm's length - as I do - the table probably has a stopwatch, trust me. I carry one for just such an emergency and I've given mine to the table crew more than a few times this season. Remember, the stopwatch isn't just for monitor reviews. It's supposed to be for timing timeouts and the intermission between the 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th periods.