Video Req - CSU/Boise St - Buzzer Beater waved off....stopwatch used?

[MechanicGuy]

I wasn't watching the game, but my Twitter timeline was in a bit of an uproar this evening.

From The Coloradoan

Then in the first overtime, with the game tied at 84-84 and the clock showing 0:00.8, Boise State’s Anthony Drmic inbounded to James Webb III, who got his circus shot off with .4 seconds, and the ball went in. Except the officials went to the monitor to hand-time the play with a stopwatch. Apparently, referee Tom O’Niell said, the clock started too late and the play took 1.4 seconds.

A slow-mo video.....which isn't particularly helpful
Coloradoan

[MechanicGuy]

Just saw the highlight on SportsCenter...no idea how they came to waving off that basket. SC showed it from two angles, timed it both times, and got .7 and .63

[JetMetFan]

I've never seen it done before but under NCAA 2-7-6 they're well within their rights to use a stopwatch to correct errors and mistakes. That being said, I'm not sure where they got an extra 0.6 seconds between the player touching the ball and the clock starting but I'm also not the one using the stopwatch.

As a TV person I'd be inclined to trust ESPN's timing since they'd be using the time code from the video. But again, I'm not the one with the stopwatch.

[ballgame99]

Not sure if they had slow motion video or not, but watching the video at the link above and using my handy dandy stopwatch on my phone this bucket should have been good.

[deecee]

cant wait for the conference's take on this. I think the officials screwed up and got this wrong.

[RefCT]

Deadspin posted on this: Stopwatch-Wielding Referees Blow It, Overturn Boise State Buzzer-BeaterÂ*

According to the stmt, they used a stopwatch available on the replay monitor? Wow, that is a horrible idea for many tech reasons.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by RefCT

Deadspin posted on this: Stopwatch-Wielding Referees Blow It, Overturn Boise State Buzzer-BeaterÂ*

According to the stmt, they used a stopwatch available on the replay monitor? Wow, that is a horrible idea for many tech reasons.

Exactly, doesn't the video they have available to them have time stamps on it? If not, why not?

[Toren]

The conference has issued a statement that the call was correct.

I didn't really have many doubts with the crew that was on the floor.

[Adam]

According to Dave Hall's statement, released by the MW, this wasn't just a "stopwatch" as most people think of it.

“The protocol on any last-second shot, after the shot is made, you go to the monitor to review whether the shot was taken in time or not. We followed the protocol, we went to the monitor and we reviewed whether the shot was taken in the 0.8 seconds that was on the game clock when the ball was inbounded. We did that and we noticed that the game clock was not started upon touch. We then used a stopwatch overlay from the monitor review system to determine when he touched it and then figure out how many tenths of a second it took from the time he touched the ball until the time he released the ball and whether he was able to get that shot off in that 0.8 seconds. After reviewing that several times we determined that the shot was late. It was not taken in that 0.8-second time frame, but actually closer to 1.2 or 1.3 time frame. As a result, the basket does not count.”

If this was a mistake, it's a mistake with the stopwatch overlay.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

The conference has issued a statement that the call was correct.

I didn't really have many doubts with the crew that was on the floor.

citation please.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Toren

The conference has issued a statement that the call was correct.

I didn't really have many doubts with the crew that was on the floor.

How? It's CLEARLY incorrect. It may not be the fault of the officials necessarily, but he clearly got the shot off.

[JRutledge]

Peace

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

According to Dave Hall's statement, released by the MW, this wasn't just a "stopwatch" as most people think of it.

“The protocol on any last-second shot, after the shot is made, you go to the monitor to review whether the shot was taken in time or not. We followed the protocol, we went to the monitor and we reviewed whether the shot was taken in the 0.8 seconds that was on the game clock when the ball was inbounded. We did that and we noticed that the game clock was not started upon touch. We then used a stopwatch overlay from the monitor review system to determine when he touched it and then figure out how many tenths of a second it took from the time he touched the ball until the time he released the ball and whether he was able to get that shot off in that 0.8 seconds. After reviewing that several times we determined that the shot was late. It was not taken in that 0.8-second time frame, but actually closer to 1.2 or 1.3 time frame. As a result, the basket does not count.”

If this was a mistake, it's a mistake with the stopwatch overlay.

[bwburke94]

A frame-by-frame analysis shows that the call was wrong. Boise got hosed.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Just saw the highlight on SportsCenter...no idea how they came to waving off that basket. SC showed it from two angles, timed it both times, and got .7 and .63

Maybe they timed a slow motion replay???